RE: To those vendors harvesting email addresses from this list... -- MAPICS-L

Dan,

I am a technical guy and don't get involved in the "marketing" aspects.
Momentum typically does not purchase lists, we try to qualify potential
customers who are Mapics or iSeries based and have a need.  I have no
information on how the lists are harvested or sold.  I have heard in the
industry that some scrubbing is done to prevent duplicates and provide valid
addresses.  

Sorry I can't be of much help.  Maybe somebody else out there knows more?

Regards,
-Greg

Gregory Novak
Manager North American Technical Services
Momentum Utilities Pty Ltd
(630) 985-1736
gnovak@xxxxxxxxxx
www.jacana.com
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Bale [mailto:dbale@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:13 PM
To: MAPICS ERP System Discussion
Subject: RE: To those vendors harvesting email addresses from this list...


> -----Original Message-----
> From: mapics-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx / Greg Novak, Momentum
>
> Dan,
>
> I am sorry to hear that someone on this list has abused their
> privilege.  I
> work for one of the vendors who does understand that the purpose
> of the list
> is to share ideas and learn from other's experiences.  Please do not lump
> all of us together.  My presence here is to provide information about our
> products to those people who may not have heard it otherwise (and assist
> others with my own knowledge of Mapics and programming).

I absolutely do NOT lump all vendors together.  Just the ones that call me
unsolicited.  Greg, since you're a salesman who seems to obey the rules,
what can you tell us about the contact lists that vendors can purchase to
make cold calls?  Would the vendors who called me know how my name was added
to the list?  Can vendors who buy these lists specify the "quality" of the
leads?  Perhaps be able to explicitly request no contacts that did not "opt
in" somewhere?

> I believe that there is a solution for everyone, many needs can be handled
> without investing in software, others may be better off by acquiring an
> application that solves the problem and pays for itself through time and
> effort saved.  The worst you will get from me is a response to
> the list and
> possibly a phone call (if your number is included) that follows up on a
> specific question posed to the list - and quite often, not even that.

This is the way I believe the list is supposed to function.  Real inquiries
(as opposed to "planted" inquiries -- I've seen that on other lists before)
sometimes give a vendor a legitimate reason to respond ON LIST with the
offer to make contact privately.  Phone calls must, IMO, ALWAYS follow the
potential customer's EXPLICIT request for contact.

> <sales mode on>
> Momentum Utilities is the developer of Info WorkPlace, JacanaForms and
> Jacana inTuator.  A suite of report writing, data extraction and
> presentation, and electronic forms solutions.  Please contact me privately
> off list if you are interested.
> <\sales mode off>
>
> (Sorry, I couldn't resist, it is my job <g>.)

And this is fine, too.  All within the rules of list membership.  Vendors
are expected to identify themselves as such.  I respect vendors who "mark"
their message as a sales pitch especially when it is a legitimate response
to a post.

Regards,
Dan