Re: Ruby On Rails on the iSeries

["Mike Eovino" <meovino@xxxxxxxxx>]

Not that I have a strong opinion on EGL one way or the other (I've
played with it a little, don't really have much time), but I don't
know that I'd call it the next Net.Data.  IBM is working hard to
migrate their Informix 4GL users over to it.  If they are successful,
then EGL will have a decent sized user base.

Mike E.

On 8/14/06, albartell <albartell@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I took a class in it at iSeries DevCon two years ago.  IMO, EGL is the next
> Net.Data and will most likely die the same death.  How many of you Net.Data
> people that are vested are appreciating IBM's decision to drop it?
>
>  Aaron Bartell
>
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> Subject: Re: [WEB400] Ruby On Rails on the iSeries
>
> Natthan, et al
>
> Have you looked at IBM's EGL that is included in the WDSCi product? I have
> only began working through the EGL tutorial but since you mentioned WebSmart
> I thought this might be an alternative. As it is, EGL will generate Java or
> Cobol code to implement the full application but what got me interested is
> that it appears you can use EGL for developing the view and the controller
> and hook it to RPG on the backend via the JT400 toolbox for implementing the
> model. IBM held an EGL user's conference recently that had a session on EGL
> and RPG but I wasn't able to attend and have not been able to find the
> handouts from the session.
>
> If anyone has worked with EGL and has opinions as to its viability for
> developing web apps on the iSeries I would like to hear them.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Brian
>
>
> On 8/11/06, Nathan Andelin <nandelin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > The name "Ruby on  Rails" is quite appropriate, IMO.  Ruby could have
> > been just another OO language  that faded into oblivion - like
> > SmallTalk.  But, add a database interface, an  HTTP interface, scripts
> > for generating shells for basic Web applications,  following a
> > model/view/controller design pattern, and license everything under
> > open source - it's like putting a language on "rails", where it can go
> places,  so to speak.
> >
> > The part that  interests me the most at the moment is the idea of
> > using scripts and  templates to generate basic Web components.  One of
> > my colleagues created a utility  for running CL source members
> > interpretively, as opposed to compiling CL source  members into
> > programs.  We use it to automate the process of compiling, binding,
> > and building ILE applications, which generally consist of a number of
> modules  and service programs.
> >
> > One idea we've  discussed is using CL scripts for generating HTML and
> > RPG source members,  providing a shell for basic Web applications,
> > following a model/view/controller  design pattern, given just a few
> > parameters like the name of the application and  the table or view that
> needs to be maintained.
> >
> > A tool like  Websmart generates HTML and RPG source members for Web
> > applications, but  requires significant training and understanding of
> > a proprietary scripting  language, logic constructs, and a Windows
> > based GUI editor and design tool to be  proficient.
> >
> > If you already  know RPG, you may not want to learn an additional
> > higher-level scripting  language, just to generate RPG code.  And you
> > may not want  to go back to a Windows based tool to maintain the
> > application, and regenerate  the RPG code.  What if you could just
> > edit a CL source member, and run a command  to generate HTML and RPG
> > source members, providing shells for basic Web  applications?
> >
> > It's just an  idea.  Another approach we've discussed is having a
> > Wizard, providing step by  step prompts, at the conclusion of which, a
> > set of HTML and RPG source members  would be generated.
> >
> > It looks like Ruby  on Rails takes more of a command line approach,
> > which is  interesting.
> >
> > Perhaps PASE and a toolkit  for system interfaces, similar to what
> > Zend did for PHP, would be the  key to porting Ruby on Rails to the
> platform.
> >
> >
> > Nathan M.  Andelin
> >
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