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<!-- DIV {margin:0px;}-->Bryan, I got a glimpse of the RPGsp IDE at a recent midrange user group meeting in Utah, and I can understand your enthusiasm for it. Interestringly, the presentation was part of a discussion about PC based IDE's - not Web interfaces. Our presenter was so hooked on PC based IDEs that you probably couldn't pay him to go back to PDM and SEU. Is your aversion with HTML templates more a case of an aversion to PDM and SEU? If so, you might consider whether editing and debugging in WDSC might change your opinion. As far as model based wizards and code generators are concerned, I think they have a place. Most tools I've looked at seem to be based on program models and templates that are rather primitive, which I wouldn't be happy deploying under. It may take just a few hours to adapt a vendor's model to your database, but if the new Web interface isn't an improvement over existing interfaces (usually 5250), then why bother? ----- Original Message ---- From: Bryan Yates <byates@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: Web Enabling the AS400 / iSeries <web400@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 2:38:51 PM Subject: Re: [WEB400] Vendor presentations Nathan, You may have already done this, but before you make a final decision, I would recommend that you download and try some of these solutions. Most have at least a trial period product that you can download and use. If you want to try java, use the WDSCi client and try out the development environment. We use JSP & servlets on a portion of our website, but our more robust applications are coded using RPG and the RPGsp tool. I have tried the cgidev model and quite frankly, I hated it. In my opinion, it is slower in development and harder to debug. The RPGsp tool lets me view my code in WYWSIG, html&rpg code together, or with the rpg code isolated. I can debug from inside the IDE. Using the wizards, I can create a simple application in a minute or two. A more complex application (like this one http://www.collincountytx.gov/rsp-bin/pbkr125.pgm) which pulls together wide combinations of data can be done in a few hours. In respect to application maintenance, RPGsp is the hands down winner, despite the recompile. Pop it open, make your change, press the compile button, your done. I can change from development, to test, to production environments with a couple clicks of the mouse. Product support is excellent. We have written about 18 complete applications comprising around 700 programs using the tool for both our internet and intranet sites and could not be happier with another product. As for speed, I'm more concerned about development time than response time in general, but we replaced our Java servlet case lookup with the RPGsp version because the CGI application is faster. I cannot speak to Joe's model of a jsp page to a rpg backend, because we never tried it. The idea seems good, but I wonder if I would not have the same hate for it that I do for the template model. That's my opinion on things, but I'm just a dumb ol' country boy who has never written a book or published an article in an industry rag. I just hoe my row. Bryan Yates SR Systems Analyst/Programmer Information Technology Collin County Government http://www.collincountytexas.gov mailto:byates@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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