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Re: Is RDi 9.5, RDP 8.0 or even WDSCi 7.0 still in use?

I assume this for RDi 9.6.0.x
in which case, somewhere on your old machine you have a file
called com.ibm.rational.developer.ibmi.rpgcobol.v96.pek.jar
I recommend copying it on to your thumb drive.
When it complains about needing a license, point it to this jar and it
will be quiet after that.
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Edmund Reinhardt
905-413-3125    
IBM Canada Ltd Rational Developer for i Access Client Solutions
Architect
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----- Original message -----
From: Jon Paris <jon.paris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent by: "WDSCI-L" <wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Rational Developer for IBM i <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc:
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [WDSCI-L] Is RDi 9.5, RDP 8.0 or even WDSCi 7.0
still in use?
Date: Mon, Nov 2, 2020 10:45 AM
 
Where did you put the workspace?  Is that on the thumb drive?

It is good that you found that the key might be a problem - but for the
benefit of others reading this ... No key was needed for the base
experiment. The license runs for 120 days without a key.

Jon

> On Nov 2, 2020, at 10:21 AM, smith5646midrange@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> Over the weekend I contacted a friend and explained that I wanted to
try to install RDi on a thumb drive and take it for a test run.  After
discussing the details, he agreed to let me use his key for TESTING
PUIRPOSES ONLY.
>
> I was able to install full blown RDi 9.5 on a thumb drive.  The
install took a long time but once it is installed, it is not slow as I
feared.  However, as a disclaimer here, I have done very little with RDi
so I'm sure I didn't put it through its paces and seriously test the
performance.  I also installed EVERYTHING so I could see the footprint
on the drive and the install size is about 8.5G.  That does not take
into account anything else that it stores such as source being worked
on.
>
> Now the problem.  I moved the thumb drive to a different laptop like I
would if a client gave me theirs to use.  I can start RDi from the thumb
drive but when I try to access my library to select a source member to
work on, I get a license error.  I moved the thumb drive back over to my
other laptop, connected to the same machine, and it worked fine.  My
guess is that the license key was installed on the laptop and not the
thumb drive.  Without the license key being stored on the thumb drive, I
am still stuck because I don't want to put my license key on a client
machine.
>
> Does anyone have any experience with the licensing that can help point
me in the right direction?  
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WDSCI-L <wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Jon
Paris
> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 5:24 PM
> To: Rational Developer for IBM i <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Is RDi 9.5, RDP 8.0 or even WDSCi 7.0 still in
use?
>
> As I said before I would recommend against a thumb drive - unless you
buy a very expensive one.
>
> As to the install footprint - I run a Mac and it would not be a useful
number for you.
>
> Funilly enough very few of my customers would ever risk letting me
plug a thumb drive into their machines - too much risk of infection.  In
fact most of their staff have the USB ports disabled on their machines.
>
>
>
>> On Oct 29, 2020, at 4:54 PM, smith5646midrange@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>
>> I guess your clients are more trusting than some of mine.  😊
>>
>> Has anyone tried to install it on a thumb drive that would like to
share any gotchas?
>>
>> What is the footprint of a full install so I know what size thumb
drive I would need.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: WDSCI-L <wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Jon
>> Paris
>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 2:49 PM
>> To: Rational Developer for IBM i <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Is RDi 9.5, RDP 8.0 or even WDSCi 7.0 still in
use?
>>
>> We'll just have to agree to disagree.  I have found most customers to
be willing to allow installs of IBM software if told it will make me
more productive and therefore cheaper for them.
>>
>> A thumb drive would just be too slow I think.  An external SSD would
work though.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 29, 2020, at 2:09 PM, smith5646midrange@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>>
>>> If I were able to use it 6 months or more during the year, I would
>>> agree 100% and buy it today.
>>>
>>> However, I disagree with your statement about carpenters, mechanics,
>>> doctors, etc.  There are many in those trades that need "tools" that
>>> they don't have and they rent them.  While a carpenter will provide
>>> their own hand tools, most do not own cranes or shooting boom
>>> forklifts for when they need to put plywood or shingles on a roof.
 If they need one, they rent it.
>>> Everyone weighs the return on investment to determine the value of a
>>> purchase.  This is the same reason individuals don't go out and buy
>>> IBM i equipment to learn how to program it.  The return on
investment
>>> just isn't there.
>>>
>>> As for using installing and using my license on a client's
>>> laptop...as a consultant, I am at the mercy of what companies will
let me use and do.
>>> Pretty much everywhere I have ever been, I am prohibited from
>>> installing MY software on THEIR laptop.  If there is a problem with
>>> the license key, THEY are on the hook for the software licensing
>>> violation.  So, in many places, installation of anything that is not
>>> corporate owned is a violation of company policy and grounds for
dismissal.
>>>
>>> Charles commented about doing a thumb drive install.  Does anyone
>>> know if that is possible?  If so, that could sway my opinion on the
>>> return of investment.  Then I would only be blocked by the companies
>>> that have blocked USB connections from unapproved devices...which
has
>>> occurred in some companies that I have been in to help eliminate
viruses.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: WDSCI-L <wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Jon
>>> Paris
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 8:40 AM
>>> To: Rational Developer for IBM i <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Is RDi 9.5, RDP 8.0 or even WDSCi 7.0 still
in use?
>>>
>>> As I said mainentance is only a couple fo hundred a year.
>>>
>>> I never understand the reluctance of contractors to buy the tools of
>>> their trade.
>>>
>>> Would you expect a carpenter doing work for you to insist that you
>>> provide a power saw or else he uses your hand saw?  No - you expect
>>> him to bring his own tools.  He in turn writes those expenses off
>>> against his taxes. Same for mechanics, doctors, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Oct 28, 2020, at 9:51 PM, smith5646midrange@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Apparently I never drilled down far enough.  I was on the website
>>>>
>>>> [4]https://www.ibm.com/products/rational-developer-for-i/pricing
>>>>
>>>> which states
>>>>
>>>> Starting at
>>>> $968.00*
>>>> per user per year
>>>>
>>>> Now that I've clicked on the purchase now button, I see there is an
>>>> option for an authorized user license at $1,180 that is not an
>>>> annual renewal.  So I don't need to buy it every year but the
>>>> version that I buy now will be out of date by the time that I can
use it again.
>>>> Still not a good option for me but thanks for the feedback that I
>>>> was
>>> looking at the wrong price.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: WDSCI-L <wdsci-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of
>>>> Brian Parkins
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2020 6:13 PM
>>>> To: Rational Developer for IBM i <wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Subject: Re: [WDSCI-L] Is RDi 9.5, RDP 8.0 or even WDSCi 7.0 still
in use?
>>>>
>>>> FWIW, it shouldn't be costing 1K USD each year. After the first
>>>> year, the costs are for SW Maintenance Agreement only - which gives
>>>> you new versions/releases as well as support and (free) fixes. Go
>>>> for a Perpetual Licence as an Authorised User.
>>>>
>>>> [5]https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/how-purchase-rdi
>>>> <[6]https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/how-purchase-rdi>
>>>>
>>>> However, despite the above, I don't disagree that cost is an
>>>> inhibitor for RDi adoption amongst freelancers and smaller
enterprises.
>>>>
>>>> Brian.
>>>>
>>>> On 28/10/2020 21:47, smith5646midrange@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>>>> I would like to upgrade to RDi but I just can't justify the $1,000
>>>>> a
>>>> year for the little bit that I would get to use it which for the
>>>> past two years would have been "not at all".
>>>>
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