Re: Save AS with RDi - local only?

RDi is built upon a great piece of software named Eclipse which supports many kinds of editors and editor features. But sadly LPEX is not built upon an Eclipse editor (for whatever reason, probably because it was already there when they moved to Eclipse) and thus has not all the great bells and whistles we all know if we have used Eclipse for some development (f. e. Java).

So yes, an editor for RPG which behaves like any other editor in the market would be great. The old times when a developer on the AS/400 would only need SEU are over. We have to use many tools to do our work today and thus it would be great if the tools behave similar. LPEX falls out of that line, version 9.6.0.5 and it still doesn't feel like a "normal" editor.

Best regards

Mihael


On 11.02.19 15:43, Arco Simonse wrote:

Hi Jon and Steve,

You speak from experience, so I won't put the figure of 40% into question then.
However personally I keep mixed feelings about still adding SEU
functionality. Working towards a "normalized" editor would be
preferable imho.

Kind regards,
-Arco

Op za 9 feb. 2019 om 19:22 schreef Jon Paris <jon.paris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

But the capability has been _added_ Aco. None of the existing "modern iDE" behaviour has been removed. So what's the problem?

And speaking as someone who trains SEUers in RDi believe me it does help to have this as a more familiar option.

Interestingly, my partner Susan has started using the "SEU view" recent despite many many years of code400/WDSC/RDP/RDi because it just makes it easier to do some things.

Op ma 11 feb. 2019 om 01:20 schreef Steve Ferrell via WDSCI-L
<wdsci-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

Hi Arco,

Yes the latest figure I saw was about 40% still on SEU or PDM. The PDM enhancements to RDi aren't about making RDi like PDM, but to give those users a bridge. November 2017 the class I was in was nearly 58% of users at a presentation on RPGILE with Susan. The entire room was using RPGLE for 20+ years, but nearly 2/3 of the classroom wasn't using RDi. Biggest reason from surveys? No time to learn a new UI.

Many of our trainers report that even new developers like using PDM commands to cc, b, a, and dd. Once they find them they like keeping their hands on the keyboard instead of reaching for the mouse.

That's the real goal of the PDM perspective in the future. No needing to reach for you mouse, and much simpler interfaces for these commands. Sure sometimes a user may need all of the parameters on a command, but 90% of time they don't. So it's about giving a simple interface to all users, without taking away from RDi users.

Steve Ferrell