Re: RDi licensing - single PC and multiple AS400's

Joe Pluta wrote:

Buck wrote:

Currently, there is one *official* IBM program to upgrade from ADTS to RDi: http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?subtype=ca&infotype=an&appname=iSource&supplier=897&letternum=ENUS208-164 I can't really understand it. I think if I buy new hardware I get a discount on RDi.

What happened is that IBM came through on the two promises they made in Raleigh: first, there will be a developer box with a single license of the tools. Second, you will be able to upgrade from ADTS to RDi. George mentioned both of these at OCEAN as well.

OK, thanks for clarifying that. I found the announcement difficult to read. There are two separate things going on here: one is the developer hardware and the other is an ADTS (SEU) to RDi upgrade.

It's been reported that several IBMers want to give discounts to move from WDSC to RDi, but the details have not been *officially* released yet that I know of.

There are no plans for an upgrade from WDSC to RDi; they're different tools with different purposes.

Ah, I misunderstood completely. Thanks for the clarification.

As I noted, there is a new package, RDi-SOA for Java, which pretty much fits the niche that WDSC fell into.

I respect your opinion on this, but I certainly don't use WDSC for Java and never have. Here is the text for EDT0630:

Message ID . . . . . . : EDT0630


Message . . . . : Have you tried the modern alternative to SEU? Press F1 for more details.
Cause . . . . . : WEBSPHERE DEVELOPMENT STUDIO CLIENT is part of the tool set that you already own. It's a full set of workstation tools for server programmers. It includes things like Web tools, Java tools, WebFacing, and a modern tool for traditional RPG/Cobol development called Remote Systems Explorer(RSE). Give the new tools a try. Once you've taken the time to get familiar with RSE, you'll find you can be even more productive than with the old text-based server tools. You can find a no-charge distance learning course on WEBSPHERE DEVELOPMENT STUDIO CLIENT at: http://www-306.ibm.com/software/awdtools/wdt400/library/iSeriesAppDev.html

Since you didn't pay for WDSC in the first place, I don't expect an upgrade option.

I don't know how to respond to this. Did IBM not *clearly* try to push people from SEU to WDSC? Wasn't it IBMs idea to bundle Code/400 - WDSC with ADTS in the first place? To spur adoption of WDSC? I hope you can see why I'm just a little disappointed. I suppose the announcement means I can keep my 8 entitled SEU seats *and* buy 8 RDi seats at a discount, paying SWMA on 8 seats of SEU and 8 seats of RDi.

but if one of my customers buy a new system which comes with RDI,
will I still be able to use WDSC7 to connect to their machine ?

I'd love an official answer to this question, but my guess is that you can connect with both WDSC and RDi. It depends on how IBM packaged the 'back end' that runs on the i. If 5733-RDI has different code than 5722-WDS, then maybe not.

I will find out about this. What you're asking about is 5722WDS feature code 60. I don't know whether it's the same feature in 5761WDS, and which of the 5761WDS components (ILE? Heritage?) include it, if any. If IBM thought it through, they'd keep it as 5761WDS feature 60 separate from 5733RDI and then phase it out with releases after 2010.

Thanks for all the details. Although it might seem simple to you, it's not that clear to those of us who don't chat with George Farr on a regular basis.

Let's say I want to get into contracting and I buy a retail copy of RDi. Can I use that to connect to multiple client i machines, or does each client need to install something before that will work?
--buck