RE: Roll Call... -- SYSTEM21

Well we were told that they had introduced full commitment control into
the latest version (when we asked if they had) by JBA Australia.  We
just sent one of our directors over to England to check it out and they
said NO.  They have implemented journalling but not commitment control
so there goes the data base integrity (I don't think they even know what
referential integrity is) and what is worse is the programs are coded so
badly that if you just add it to the database (something you should be
able to do in a well coded AS/400 environment) the programs just crash.

Oh well we can always hope for the next version ... and send JBA copious
amounts of e-mail all around the world ....

Thanks,
Have a great day,
Brad Cork.
I.T. Manager
Sheet Metal Supplies

Phone:  02 9709 5000  
Fax:            02 9707 9196
Mobile:         0412 250 142

"I.T. - Making your life easier."

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rogerson@interlog.com [SMTP:rogerson@interlog.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 1997 1:12 PM
> To:   'JBAUSERS-L@midrange.com'
> Subject:      RE: Roll Call...
> 
> We are going to Explorer.  I have been told that Explorer is JBA's
> direction, there apparently will not be any more enhancements to
> Client Workspace.  I am looking forward to seeing how the new software
> looks.  I must admit that I have been less than impressed with some of
> the Style product but I am hoping that version 3.5 adds a lot of
> functionality and improves on the lack of integrity of the system.  
> Maybe you or someone has a thought on this.  A colleague of mine is a
> DBA who strongly believes in data integrity and tightly integral
> database.  He said to me that he has noticed that the majority of the
> time when software companies develop systems, usually there is little
> integrity in the database.  It is almost solely accomplished by the
> programs.  He then stated that maybe this is partially planned since a
> really tight database can not be corrupted.  You can have the least
> experienced programmer write erroneous code and a tight database just
> plain will  not accept it.  It is almost impossible to screw it up.
> On the other hand, with all the integrity in the programs, should an
> inexperienced programmer make a mistake then the software producer can
> charge an outrageous fee to correct the corrupted data.  Oh well, just
> a thought....
> 
> Robert A. Rogerson
> 
>               -----Original Message-----
>               From:   Jim Sehi [SMTP:jsehi@info2000.net]
>               Sent:   Sunday, November 16, 1997 11:52 AM
>               To:     JBAUSERS-L@midrange.com
>               Subject:        Re: Roll Call...
> 
>               Thanks for the feedback Rob, we are in the process of
> installing 3.5.0 and
>               I previewed the GUI in a demo last week... (both Client
> Workspace and
>               Explorer).  Explorer is not fully released yet is it?
> Client Workspace
>               seemed little more than a screen scraper to me.
> 
>               Jim Sehi
> 
>               ----------
>               > From: Rob Rogerson <rogerson@interlog.com>
>               > To: 'jbausers-l@midrange.com'
>               > Subject: Roll Call...
>               > Date: Sunday, November 16, 1997 6:51 AM
>               > 
>               > I'm here Jim.  We are about to move to STYLE version
> 3.5.1 in the spring.
>                We are getting a 620e AS/400 deleivered next week with
> JBA scheduled to
>               install 3.5.0 the following week.  We will be going to
> the new GUI
>               interface so there will be a lot of learning and setup.
>               > 
>               > Rob Rogerson
>               > I.S. Software Ltd.
>               > 
>               > On behalf of Hanes Canada
>               > 
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