RE: where can I download a RPG/400 guide?

If you reread the response from Charles ... the developer was also called stupid for going along with it.

Continuing to use the RPG III compiler when making modifications to an existing program, instead of running the source through CVTRPGSRC is just stupid. Both on the part of management for insisting on it, and on the developer(s) willing to go along with it.

It never ceases to amaze me how many people live in a world where they think they can control everything and do whatever they want and they can ignore management mandates. Some of you may have enough clout to do that but many of us live in the world where management has the final say and if you don't like it, then leave...and right now might not be the best time to quit a job. Also, many of us are consultants and have absolutely zip to say on the rules. I once has to modify a program I wrote because I used the line X += 1; instead of X = X + 1; and it didn't pass a code review. When I argued that there was no difference and no need to change it, I was told that if I felt that strongly about it I could leave. Gigs were difficult to find at that time so I opted to stay and downgrade my code...and I got paid by the hour to do it :).



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From: RPG400-L <rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Jon Paris
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 4:36 PM
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Subject: Re: where can I download a RPG/400 guide?

Well said Joe.

I might add that (personally) I find that there is a difference between "stupid" as applied to an action and "stupid" as applied to an individual.

On Jul 17, 2020, at 4:28 PM, Joe Pluta <joepluta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Eddie, I hope you take this is the spirit it was intended, which is to attempt to illuminate both sides of a contentious discussion. I personally did not like the use of the word "stupid", but my alternative isn't really all that much more gentle. I would have used "irresponsible". I consider it irresponsible to not advise management in strong terms of a path that has nearly zero risk or effort but yet provides a high value-add, which is what CVTRPGSRC does. The generated code is not pretty, but it requires no cleanup or modification and IMMEDIATELY provides the benefits of all of the expanded functionality of non-ILE RPG IV, from BIFs to better RDi support. So the point was not questioning your intellect, just the wisdom of the decision.

Obviously the word "stupid" is loaded; it almost always comes off as condescending. However, I think if you review your own posts with an unbiased eye you might see a bit of condescension on your side as well. I know that seeing that sort of thing in your own posts is hard to do, but I've gotten good at it over the years because frankly, I used to be a complete and utter horse's ass on these forums. Usually, though, it was in response to someone else slighting me (perceived or actual), and at the end of the day it took two to tango.

Tone is impossible to convey on forums and is often subject to the worst possible interpretation.

Anyway, just my nickel's worth of free advice. :) Take it for what it's worth.

And just to be clear, I am pre-emptively ignoring ANY posts commenting
on the phrase "used to be". :^P




On 7/17/2020 10:53 AM, Eddie Gomez wrote:

After years of contributing, I’m getting off this forum. Responding to individual use cases as “stupid” says more about you than it does about others.

Continue your little party. Your lack of diplomacy is shameful. This is not how you talk to people.

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