I've been on this list for many years and every so often there's someone that will come in and make some inappropriate, generalized statement(s) that we 'lifers' find offensive. This is one of those times.
If you have such disdain for; a. The language or b. the machine itself - then feel free to go back from whence you came, but stop wasteing our time with your baseless rants. This platform was probably around before you got here and will do just fine when you leave it.
I completely agree with Tommy, your point is moot. Now move on to something of substance or simply back off. I for one have heard enough nonesense for one day.
Warmest Regards,
Richard Reeve
From: "Tommy.Holden@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <Tommy.Holden@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: RPG programming on the IBM i / System i <rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: RPG - I'm not dead yet!
I hate to chime in on this because of the "peeing match"...but
Even only knowing RPG you can create modular programs so you're point is
totally moot...
Not all RPG folks love monolithic programs, and yes they can be written in
any language. You're trying to make a point that doesn't exist...
From: john e <whattssonn@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "RPG programming on the IBM i / System i" <rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 07/13/2011 09:58 AM
Subject: Re: RPG - I'm not dead yet!
Sent by: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
A concrete example.
I am now working for a company where i build a new order system.
I use RPGIV for this, and a layered (MVC) architecture (big word but
alas).
Green screen programs just have UI handling, nothing else.
Business logic is in its own service program, etc.
I am happy i'm "allowed" to set it up this way.
Normally, it is even difficult to just introduce a service program with
some
utility procedures in it.
Let alone an "MVC" approach.
The reason i am allowed is because this customer has a more technical C
background.
And doesn't like RPGIII that much, especially the monolithic programs.
So because the customer has a C background, i can set up a sane
architecture.
This really is an exception.
Most of the time the customer knows RPG, and only RPG, and thus....
Isn't that strange.
A "technical" person likes it modularized.
A "business" person (the ones knowing RPG and are fine with it) likes it
monolithic.
Apparantly the monolithic approach is more "business" like.
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Schmidt, Mihael
<Mihael.Schmidt@xxxxxxxxxxx
wrote:
<quote>
Besides, if you are a programmer you are a TECHNICAL person first,
business
second.
Yes, second.
Thats your job, computers, programming, yes?
Thats technical, first.
</quote>
IMO that is a fact that every programmer working on an IBM i platform
should be able to agree on.
<quote>
We have enough business types making excel macros.
Then we have business types making RPG programs.
Thats why we have a big mess.
</quote>
That is the sad reality I have lived through the last couple of years.
My 2 cents
Mihael
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