Re: RPG - I'm not dead yet!

[john e <whattssonn@xxxxxxxxx>]

Tommy,
It wasn't a peeing match, i wasn't clear about this in that post.
The point i wanted to make was more a response to Joe Pluta's post earlier
(and other's also i believe). I.e. the "business" vs "technical"  type of
developer. My take in this was that a developer should be technical first,
business second (or maybe both but thats unlikely). Instead of the other way
around.

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:03 PM, <Tommy.Holden@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I hate to chime in on this because of the "peeing match"...but
> Even only knowing RPG you can create modular programs so you're point is
> totally moot...
>
> Not all RPG folks love monolithic programs, and yes they can be written in
> any language.  You're trying to make a point that doesn't exist...
>
>
>
>
> From:   john e <whattssonn@xxxxxxxxx>
> To:     "RPG programming on the IBM i / System i" <rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date:   07/13/2011 09:58 AM
> Subject:        Re: RPG - I'm not dead yet!
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>
>
> A concrete example.
>
> I am now working for a company where i build a new order system.
> I use RPGIV for this, and a layered (MVC) architecture (big word but
> alas).
> Green screen programs just have UI handling, nothing else.
> Business logic is in its own service program, etc.
>
> I am happy i'm "allowed" to set it up this way.
> Normally, it is even difficult to just introduce a service program with
> some
> utility procedures in it.
> Let alone an "MVC" approach.
>
> The reason i am allowed is because this customer has a more technical C
> background.
> And doesn't like RPGIII that much, especially the monolithic programs.
>
> So because the customer has a C background, i can set up a sane
> architecture.
> This really is an exception.
> Most of the time the customer knows RPG, and only RPG, and thus....
>
> Isn't that strange.
> A "technical" person likes it modularized.
> A "business" person (the ones knowing RPG and are fine with it) likes it
> monolithic.
>
> Apparantly the monolithic approach is more "business" like.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Schmidt, Mihael
> <Mihael.Schmidt@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > wrote:
>
> > <quote>
> > Besides, if you are a programmer you are a TECHNICAL person first,
> business
> > second.
> > Yes, second.
> > Thats your job, computers, programming, yes?
> > Thats technical, first.
> > </quote>
> > IMO that is a fact that every programmer working on an IBM i platform
> > should be able to agree on.
> >
> > <quote>
> > We have enough business types making excel macros.
> > Then we have business types making RPG programs.
> > Thats why we have a big mess.
> > </quote>
> > That is the sad reality I have lived through the last couple of years.
> >
> > My 2 cents
> >
> > Mihael
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