Re: RPG - I'm not dead yet!

[Henrik Rützou <hr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

John,

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On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 6:20 PM, john e <whattssonn@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> The gist of what i'm trying to say is that RPG got evolved, only after the
> platform was already gone into decline.
> Only then we got something what resembles a programming language.
>
> Most RPG'ers and most software on AS/400, is developed with RPGIII, and
> this
> is still the common programming idiom for AS/400.
>
>
> Ok.
>
> So maybe i am too biased.
> Maybe RPG really really is a good language.
> Maybe Smalltalk and other languages spoiled me, and are toy languages
> anyway.
> Not a real business language like RPG (business didn't need dates before
> 1994 apparently).
>
> Now i think of it, i like RPGIV.
> Thinking back of the 90's, fighting with RPGIII, no support of anything i
> think you really need (like local variables).
> If i think back to that amateur hobby language RPGIII, yes, you are right,
> RPGIV is a really good business language.
>
> Just pitty almost all software on AS/400 is written in RPGIII.
>
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> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Jon Paris <jon.paris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > Ah - I understand now.  You've been discussing RPG III all this time!
>  The
> > rest of us have been discussing RPG IV!
> >
> > On Jul 11, 2011, at 11:41 AM, rpg400-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> >
> > > > The reason why, IMHO, RPG is a "fatal" flaw is because most RPG
> > programmers
> > > > are "raised" with a "language" that doesn't support all kind of
> trivial
> > > > things, like normal dates,
> >
> > Supported since the beginning of RPG IV _15_ years ago and repeatedly
> > enhanced since then.
> >
> > > > like "free format",
> >
> > Available since V5R1 (i.e. 5+ years ago - at least where it matters.
> >
> > > > local variables,
> >
> > Available for or over 12 years (V3R2/R6).
> >
> > > > long variable names
> >
> > Available since hmmmm V4R2 I think - so 10 years or so.
> >
> > > > (we have indicators),
> >
> > And we've had named booleans/indicators since - whenever - V3R7 maybe - I
> > don't recall.
> >
> > > > only columnar format,
> >
> > See comment above re free-form
> >
> > > > only subroutines
> > > > and no any other way of abstraction, JUST subroutines (yes thanks to
> > OS/400
> > > > we can call other programs as modules but again this is not a language
> > > > feature), etc etc.
> >
> > See comment on local variables - this has not been true since V3R2/R6.
> >
> > Seems to me that your knowledge of the language you are critiquing is
> part
> > of the problem.  How can we have a valid discussion without that
> knowledge?
> > Jon Paris
> >
> > www.partner400.com
> > www.SystemiDeveloper.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
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