Re: RPG - I'm not dead yet!

[john e <whattssonn@xxxxxxxxx>]

Henrik,

I don't know, maybe ask Google.

I also don't like you're insinuation, but you're intitled to it, of course.
And maybe i had it coming. We (still) live in a free country.

But i am not "hiding".
You see my real first name and first letter of my real last name.
I have a specific last name, of which there aren't many.
I like my privacy, like everybody else.
And it doesn't add to the discussion.
I still think RPG sucks, by the way.




On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Henrik Rützou <hr@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> John,
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> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 6:20 PM, john e <whattssonn@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > The gist of what i'm trying to say is that RPG got evolved, only after
> the
> > platform was already gone into decline.
> > Only then we got something what resembles a programming language.
> >
> > Most RPG'ers and most software on AS/400, is developed with RPGIII, and
> > this
> > is still the common programming idiom for AS/400.
> >
> >
> > Ok.
> >
> > So maybe i am too biased.
> > Maybe RPG really really is a good language.
> > Maybe Smalltalk and other languages spoiled me, and are toy languages
> > anyway.
> > Not a real business language like RPG (business didn't need dates before
> > 1994 apparently).
> >
> > Now i think of it, i like RPGIV.
> > Thinking back of the 90's, fighting with RPGIII, no support of anything i
> > think you really need (like local variables).
> > If i think back to that amateur hobby language RPGIII, yes, you are
> right,
> > RPGIV is a really good business language.
> >
> > Just pitty almost all software on AS/400 is written in RPGIII.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Jon Paris <jon.paris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Ah - I understand now.  You've been discussing RPG III all this time!
> >  The
> > > rest of us have been discussing RPG IV!
> > >
> > > On Jul 11, 2011, at 11:41 AM, rpg400-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > >
> > > > > The reason why, IMHO, RPG is a "fatal" flaw is because most RPG
> > > programmers
> > > > > are "raised" with a "language" that doesn't support all kind of
> > trivial
> > > > > things, like normal dates,
> > >
> > > Supported since the beginning of RPG IV _15_ years ago and repeatedly
> > > enhanced since then.
> > >
> > > > > like "free format",
> > >
> > > Available since V5R1 (i.e. 5+ years ago - at least where it matters.
> > >
> > > > > local variables,
> > >
> > > Available for or over 12 years (V3R2/R6).
> > >
> > > > > long variable names
> > >
> > > Available since hmmmm V4R2 I think - so 10 years or so.
> > >
> > > > > (we have indicators),
> > >
> > > And we've had named booleans/indicators since - whenever - V3R7 maybe -
> I
> > > don't recall.
> > >
> > > > > only columnar format,
> > >
> > > See comment above re free-form
> > >
> > > > > only subroutines
> > > > > and no any other way of abstraction, JUST subroutines (yes thanks to
> > > OS/400
> > > > > we can call other programs as modules but again this is not a
> language
> > > > > feature), etc etc.
> > >
> > > See comment on local variables - this has not been true since V3R2/R6.
> > >
> > > Seems to me that your knowledge of the language you are critiquing is
> > part
> > > of the problem.  How can we have a valid discussion without that
> > knowledge?
> > > Jon Paris
> > >
> > > www.partner400.com
> > > www.SystemiDeveloper.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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