Re: Web Interfacing Advantages? -- RPG400-L

That "(the company gives me no "play time" or training on their time.)" 
really irks me.  You have no idea just how much that irks me.  Let me see, 
the OSG's are reluctant to change, but I also see that the company is not 
giving them an easy path to change anyway.  I guess that's why I love it 
where I am right now.  I'm an RPGLE programmer that was asked to learn 
Java.  My intro course was paid for, and then I asked for books, they were 
paid for.  Then I asked for the TIME to build one of our projects in Java 
so that I could learn thru doing.  I was given a Java project with no time 
limit to complete.  Hence, 2 months later, I now have a java application 
almost ready for production, and a wealth of knowledge thru "playing". 
It's too bad that companies don't have the foresight to see that if you 
want your employees to "move ahead" and "change with technology" that they 
should encourage them to spend some time to learn new things.  I know that 
after a long day at work, the LAST thing I want to do is go learn some new 
tech for a company that doesn't consider the new tech important enough to 
pay for.  Now, if I'm worried my career is at stake, that's a different 
story.

Ron Power
Programmer
Information Services
City Of St. John's, NL
P.O. Box 908
St. John's, NL
A1C 5M2
Tel: 709-576-8132
Email: rpower@xxxxxxxxxx
Website: http://www.stjohns.ca/
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For business reasons, I have begun to change the user interface
to gui (a VB app) when there was a requirement
to merge AS400 data from a green screen app into multiple Word docs.
Other green screen apps are sure to follow.
Walden, - what is the best way for a green screen rpg'r to learn .Net ?
(the company gives me no "play time" or training on their time.
jim franz

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Walden H. Leverich" <WaldenL@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries" <rpg400-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 11:22 AM
Subject: RE: Web Interfacing Advantages?


> OK, we'll piss of David, but this is where the thread is, sorry David.
>
> >And that is you have to learn .NET and
> >start using it to front end your RPG applications.
>
> Hey, I'm the first to push .NET! My point is, changing a program for
> technologies sake isn't a wise business move. If there is a driving
> _business_ reason for the change, .NET is the way to go (I was trying to
> stay language neutral! <G>) but if there's not a business reason to
> change, IT's time would be better spent where there are business
> requirements.
>
> I know, when the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem is a
> nail, then again, you can solve lots of problems with a hammer. <G>
>
> -Walden
>
>
> ------------
> Walden H Leverich III
> Tech Software
> (516) 627-3800 x11
> WaldenL@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> http://www.TechSoftInc.com
>
> Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur.
> (Whatever is said in Latin seems profound.)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:rpg400-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Richter
> Sent: Thursday, 02 June, 2005 11:01
> To: RPG programming on the AS400 / iSeries
> Subject: Re: Web Interfacing Advantages?
>
> On 6/2/05, Walden H. Leverich <WaldenL@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> >
> > You mentioned one other interesting thing though, that the old school
> > guys "do not see a
> > need to move any of the apps." And that's something you should
> consider.
> > Make sure you're moving green screen apps to the browser for a valid
> > business reason -- "because it's cool" isn't a valid business reason.
> > You're spending time, money and effort when you move a screen from
> 5250
> > to the browser, if there's a business reason, great, if not leave it
> > where it is. This is a decision the users and management should be
> > involved in, not something IT decides. If the business will benefit
> from
> > web, get there, but if it won't, the "old school" guys may still know
> a
> > thing or two.
>
> If the old school guys level of knowledge of .NET is anything like
> what I knew of it this time last year, then I dont think the OSGs know
> enough to make that judgement.  Sure, the OSGs know the applications
> and that is critical, but if you dont know what can or cant be done
> with an asp.net web page or how long it takes to put one together,
> then you will not know what it takes to front end or replace those RPG
> applications.
>
> The current version of .NET has not been changed since it was
> released, what?, 4 years ago.  This year .NET 2.0 is being released
> for general availability.  Couple that with the 64 bit windows and
> dual core technologies being released also this year, by this time
> next year Windows will be in a very strong position.  I am not trying
> to pull anyones chain by posting this,  if you are an RPG programmer
> in a Windows/AS400 shop ( compared to Linux/as400 ) you have to be
> ready for what is to come.  And that is you have to learn .NET and
> start using it to front end your RPG applications.
>
> -Steve
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