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Of course they can fill the classrooms. They just have to make it a
required class. I learned COBOL on an System/370 because the Computer
Science department made COBOL a required class if you wanted to graduate.
The next year the university bought a Vax that we did COBOL projects on but
they still did the intro to COBOL class on the 370. I took an RPG II class
but it was an elective. The CS department evidentially didn't think that
RPG was worthy. They pick the curriculum and they pick the equipment.
<sarcasm>
Do people want a degree from a well known university? Gee now that I think
about it, I don't really want a degree from MIT because they offer RPG on
the iSeries.
</sarcasm>
Dave Parnin
Nishikawa Standard Company
Topeka, IN 46571
daparnin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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nice concept, but most colleges dont want them because they can't fill the
classrooms...
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 rob@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Because if I dropped off an i5 at a university, and spent 3 hours telling
> them how good it was and drove away the next day it would be sold and the
> revenue spent on building a monument to the dean. The local sponsor is
to
> do the follow through. Don't know if IBM could offer to host two
> instructors for 2 weeks of extensive IBM on site training - all expenses
> paid, and the university would accept that without the local sponsor.
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> I don't get it...why is it that local business people should be being
> asked to foot the bill for doing IBM's marketing???
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> Uh, does Sun, Microsoft, HP........etc.....etc.... also ask local people
> to foot the bill or do they just drop the boxes in? But then, they've
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> alot more demand for thier systems...gee...go figure why...
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> No, they're not dead, but they definately are dying...it's going to be a
> slow death, but there is no question that they are dying.
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> Don in DC
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> On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, Chris Wolcott wrote:
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> > At one time IBM had a program where they would give an AS/400 system to
> > a school if local business(es) would agree to supply instructors. I
> > thought this was a great idea on their part. Does anyone know if they
> > still do this?
> >
> > As far as the rumors of RPG's death being exaggerated, every one says
> > COBOL is dead too but I haven't seen the hearse drive away yet. There
> > was nothing I couldn't do in COBOL that others could do in any other
> > language. For the most part it is a factor of how well you know the
> > language, not how many fancy opcodes are in it. (Any more it is how
> > smooth the salesman is. One company I was at was thinking of replacing
> > DB/2 with Oracle on the 400, because the salesman had nearly convinced
> > the top brass that DB/2 was dead. . . )
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> > Like any other language, the ease with which one learns RPG depends on
> > the tutoring/mentoring available. I was from a non-IBM mainframe COBOL
> > background when I got a job in an AS/400 RPG shop. All they gave me
was
> > an account and a couple of cassette tapes on RPG to listen to. We
> > maintained custom code in a 'canned' RPG application the company had
> > bought. The code was a mess, a mixture of cyclic and procedural logic
> > and not commented worth a darn. I kept looking for the 'secret decoder
> > ring' to figure out the use of the indicators. To top it off the
> > listings were done via some program that indented the code, but also
> > displaced the indicators in the <=> columns. That made figuring out
> > what they were doing quite difficult unless all three columns were
used.
> > Even with that, I was writing code by the middle of the next week.
> >
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