Re: Future of RPG

[Don <dr2@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Rob,

nice concept, but most colleges dont want them because they can't fill the
classrooms...



On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 rob@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

> Because if I dropped off an i5 at a university, and spent 3 hours telling
> them how good it was and drove away the next day it would be sold and the
> revenue spent on building a monument to the dean.  The local sponsor is to
> do the follow through.  Don't know if IBM could offer to host two
> instructors for 2 weeks of extensive IBM on site training - all expenses
> paid, and the university would accept that without the local sponsor.
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> I don't get it...why is it that local business people should be being
> asked to foot the bill for doing IBM's marketing???
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> Uh, does Sun, Microsoft, HP........etc.....etc.... also ask local people
> to foot the bill or do they just drop the boxes in?  But then, they've got
> alot more demand for thier systems...gee...go figure why...
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> No, they're not dead, but they definately are dying...it's going to be a
> slow death, but there is no question that they are dying.
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> Don in DC
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> On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, Chris Wolcott wrote:
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> > At one time IBM had a program where they would give an AS/400 system to
> > a school if local business(es) would agree to supply instructors.  I
> > thought this was a great idea on their part.  Does anyone know if they
> > still do this?
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> > As far as the rumors of RPG's death being exaggerated, every one says
> > COBOL is dead too but I haven't seen the hearse drive away yet.  There
> > was nothing I couldn't do in COBOL that others could do in any other
> > language.  For the most part it is a factor of how well you know the
> > language, not how many fancy opcodes are in it.  (Any more it is how
> > smooth the salesman is.  One company I was at was thinking of replacing
> > DB/2 with Oracle on the 400, because the salesman had nearly convinced
> > the top brass that DB/2 was dead. . . )
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> > Like any other language, the ease with which one learns RPG depends on
> > the tutoring/mentoring available.  I was from a non-IBM mainframe COBOL
> > background when I got a job in an AS/400 RPG shop.  All they gave me was
> > an account and a couple of cassette tapes on RPG to listen to.  We
> > maintained custom code in a 'canned' RPG application the company had
> > bought.  The code was a mess, a mixture of cyclic and procedural logic
> > and not commented worth a darn.  I kept looking for the 'secret decoder
> > ring' to figure out the use of the indicators.  To top it off the
> > listings were done via some program that indented the code, but also
> > displaced the indicators in the <=> columns.  That made figuring out
> > what they were doing quite difficult unless all three columns were used.
> > Even with that, I was writing code by the middle of the next week.
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