Re: Future of RPG

OH!  OK....gee...  let's see...now what will that do to the perception of
the standard of quality of that college's IT programme??????

I guess this explains how my american/english literature (aka major
bullshit artists) are able to keep their jobs...their classes are
required.....

Reality, what a concept...:)



On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 daparnin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

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> Of course they can fill the classrooms.  They just have to make it a
> required class.  I learned COBOL on an System/370 because the Computer
> Science department made COBOL a required class if you wanted to graduate.
> The next year the university bought a Vax that we did COBOL projects on but
> they still did the intro to COBOL class on the 370.  I took an RPG II class
> but it was an elective.  The CS department evidentially didn't think that
> RPG was worthy.  They pick the curriculum and they pick the equipment.
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> Do people want a degree from a well known university?  Gee now that I think
> about it, I don't really want a degree from MIT because they offer RPG on
> the iSeries.
> </sarcasm>
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> Dave Parnin
> Nishikawa Standard Company
> Topeka, IN  46571
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> nice concept, but most colleges dont want them because they can't fill the
> classrooms...
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> On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 rob@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
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> > Because if I dropped off an i5 at a university, and spent 3 hours telling
> > them how good it was and drove away the next day it would be sold and the
> > revenue spent on building a monument to the dean.  The local sponsor is
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> > do the follow through.  Don't know if IBM could offer to host two
> > instructors for 2 weeks of extensive IBM on site training - all expenses
> > paid, and the university would accept that without the local sponsor.
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> > I don't get it...why is it that local business people should be being
> > asked to foot the bill for doing IBM's marketing???
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> > Uh, does Sun, Microsoft, HP........etc.....etc.... also ask local people
> > to foot the bill or do they just drop the boxes in?  But then, they've
> got
> > alot more demand for thier systems...gee...go figure why...
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> > No, they're not dead, but they definately are dying...it's going to be a
> > slow death, but there is no question that they are dying.
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> > Don in DC
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> > On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, Chris Wolcott wrote:
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> > > At one time IBM had a program where they would give an AS/400 system to
> > > a school if local business(es) would agree to supply instructors.  I
> > > thought this was a great idea on their part.  Does anyone know if they
> > > still do this?
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> > > As far as the rumors of RPG's death being exaggerated, every one says
> > > COBOL is dead too but I haven't seen the hearse drive away yet.  There
> > > was nothing I couldn't do in COBOL that others could do in any other
> > > language.  For the most part it is a factor of how well you know the
> > > language, not how many fancy opcodes are in it.  (Any more it is how
> > > smooth the salesman is.  One company I was at was thinking of replacing
> > > DB/2 with Oracle on the 400, because the salesman had nearly convinced
> > > the top brass that DB/2 was dead. . . )
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> > > Like any other language, the ease with which one learns RPG depends on
> > > the tutoring/mentoring available.  I was from a non-IBM mainframe COBOL
> > > background when I got a job in an AS/400 RPG shop.  All they gave me
> was
> > > an account and a couple of cassette tapes on RPG to listen to.  We
> > > maintained custom code in a 'canned' RPG application the company had
> > > bought.  The code was a mess, a mixture of cyclic and procedural logic
> > > and not commented worth a darn.  I kept looking for the 'secret decoder
> > > ring' to figure out the use of the indicators.  To top it off the
> > > listings were done via some program that indented the code, but also
> > > displaced the indicators in the <=> columns.  That made figuring out
> > > what they were doing quite difficult unless all three columns were
> used.
> > > Even with that, I was writing code by the middle of the next week.
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