Re: iSeries revenue plummets

I think the?fact that we don't have any increase in medium to large type companies contributes to the iSeries not being an option.??

When I worked for SSA it seemed all large manufacturing shops used it but where are those shops now?? Some of them are still here but there's no new ones cropping up anywhere.??

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-----Original Message-----
From: Crump, Mike <Mike.Crump@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries <midrange-nontech@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:28 am
Subject: RE: iSeries revenue plummets




I think there are also some sheer numbers and economics types of issues.


The system never sells on acquisition price. That immediately
eliminates a large number of customers. New or existing.

Dropping prices immediately to match the market is not without it's
negatives. One, I hate to get into the my OS is better than your OS but
I firmly believe there is a value in i5/OS that you don't get with other
OS. So it can stand to reason that it's worth some sort of premium.
Two, even if you drop prices today will not result in an immediate
increase in sales that will offset the loss in profitability. So you
eliminate your profit and you don't get a whole lot in return.

Windows and X systems aren't running some sort of phenomenal campaign
here. They have an immediate advantage just due to sheer numbers. You
would have to be stupid to fail in these markets.

You need the magic 10% growth number. 10% increase in number of systems
sold from the previous year. 10% new customers from the previous year.
You get those numbers and you might attract more new applications and
you might stop existing vendors from treating the existing customer base
as a cash cow.

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-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael Ryan
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:08 AM
To: Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: Re: iSeries revenue plummets

While I'm a System i fanboy, it's difficult to see why new customers
would choose the System i. I didn't think that was true a few years
ago, but other OS's (UNIX/Windows) have become stronger and more
reliable. Plus, other OS's have new software being developed for them.
I don't think the number of competitive reinstalls from Brand X to
System i is very large - I'd be interested to know that number. PHP
and MySQL are good technologies that could make the System i a
platform of choice, but I think the cost seems prohibitive to
potential new customers.

I think the System i is the best business system on the market, but
the market continues to move in a different direction.

On Nov 20, 2007 8:00 AM, Aaron Bartell <albartell@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Flashy-ness sells hardware. Unfortunately it isn't the flashy-ness of

the

hardware I am talking about, but instead what a developer sees as the
quickest path to their endpoint. There is a huge increase in the

language

and development environment determining what overall system is chosen.

That

is why we are seeing so many shops going Microsoft .NET - it is VERY

flashy

despite it's fragile nature. Sure, they are catching up, but they are
merely trying to get to what IBM has had for years.

The System i5 can sustain itself pretty well with it's existing

customer

base, but as for new customers I am not so sure. What would be

somebody's

reason for becoming a new System i5 customer? I'd guess nobody would

choose

RPG as their "new" language moving forward. PHP and MySQL on the

machine,

with all the new virtualization stuff included, might make some people

jump

on the box.

Thoughts?

Aaron Bartell
http://mowyourlawn.com

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From: midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
fbocch2595@xxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 6:51 AM
To: midrange-nontech@xxxxxxxxxxxx

Subject: Re: iSeries revenue plummets

What are the aspects of the iSeries that make it the best business

machine??

Are those things enough to keep companies buying it in numbers that

will

keep the platform alive??


-----Original Message-----
From: Abacusflorida@xxxxxxx
To: midrange-nontech@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:45 pm
Subject: Re: iSeries revenue plummets



Sad to say - They deserve to plummet.

When is the last time you saw any advertising outside of a technical
communication about the I-series (as/400)? TV, Super bowl,

non-I-series

magazine.
I have I-series clients that receive no mail, calls, or anything

about

I-series. I personally think that the switch years ago from IBM

sales reps

to
business partners was a cost reduction technique that will ultimately

spell

the

death of the I-series. Perhaps they don't have the financial

where-with-all

to
mass-market. It's a shame that the "greatest" business computer will

be

extinct without someone selling it. IBM sure isn't.





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