RE: Economics of non-free "Open Source"

no corn pone talk in this entire post...

On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:12:35 -0400, "jt" <jt@xxxxxx> said:
> Your joking, of course.  Either that, or you don't understand, Alan, one
> or
> the other:
> 
> Everybody does not get free speech, in equal measure.  For one example,
> David Gibbs has the authority, and exercises it, as to who can say what
> to
> these forums, and what forum opinions are to be expressed in.  Nobody is
> free to post whatever they want to, wherever they want to.  (Although
> some
> people take advantage, and post Non-Tech issues (like this very topic) to
> the Tech List, and they get away with it.)
> 
> So, like I pointed out and have given a simple example, "freedom" of
> speech
> is a nice theory, but is not practiced as a practical matter.  For
> another
> example, it is illegal to speak and incite a riot.  Simple example, that
> shows that some people have some severe delusions about the area of
> "freedom", and freedom of speech.
> 
> Btw, Alan...  And nobody can force you to charge for something you want
> to
> give away, either.  Unless you are doing something illegal, and even
> then...
> I've given plenty.  Nobody FORCED me to, and nobody FORCED me not to
> either.
> How could they??
> 
> Apparently you don't understand the issues as well as you think, Alan.  I
> say "apparently", but intend to imply "obviously".
> 
> And you obviously haven't understood what I've posted, as I ALREADY
> posted
> the views that "Open" Source is nothing more than "a loss leader" and
> that
> it's best for some things and not others.  So I don't need any help from
> you
> in how to try to think of these issues, so far as what you've posted here
> anyway.  Perhaps next time tho, but not in this particular post.
> 
> 
> | -----Original Message-----
> | [mailto:midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Alan
> | Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:06 PM
> 
> | <quote>  Can you give me even ONE example of Any "freedom" which
> | IS.. (and this is the key, IN ACTUAL FACT) applied equally to
> | all?... the "rule" is a great theory, in the abstract. </quote>
> |
> | ==> *-Everyone-* is born with "certain unalienable rights", in
> | equal measure. Everyone.
> |
> | IOW, everybody gets free speech, and any violation of that kind
> | of right, including discriminatory application, is a theft.
> |
> | Free speech obviously has cost us a lot. And losing it, as is
> | happening now worldwide, costs more.
> |
> | Any attempt to force me to charge money for telling you something
> | (software is generally a "copyright" issue, or "license" issue),
> | or sharing a set of algorithms, is an attempt to force me to join
> | a cartel, so to speak, to prop up somebody else's idea of how I
> | should make my money as a programmer or as a company.
> |
> | I also don't believe in involuntary servitude, making you work
> | without pay. And some day maybe I myself might charge a license,
> | I'm not advocating one or the other, except to agree that maybe
> | it's the best for some things, not for others.
> |
> | It might help some to think of it as a "loss leader", a common
> | marketing idea. As to fame and name and ego, marketers even have
> | a name for the value this provides.
> |
> | - Alan
> 
> 
> 
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