RE: Economics of non-free "Open Source"

Everybody DOES get free speech. Anyone and everyone has the freedom to let
the words come from their mouths. But there can be consequences for doing
that. That still does not mean they cannot choose to utter them...

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From: midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of jt
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 1:13 PM
To: Non-Technical Discussion about the AS400 / iSeries
Subject: RE: Economics of non-free "Open Source"

Your joking, of course.  Either that, or you don't understand, Alan, one or
the other:

Everybody does not get free speech, in equal measure.  For one example,
David Gibbs has the authority, and exercises it, as to who can say what to
these forums, and what forum opinions are to be expressed in.  Nobody is
free to post whatever they want to, wherever they want to.  (Although some
people take advantage, and post Non-Tech issues (like this very topic) to
the Tech List, and they get away with it.)

So, like I pointed out and have given a simple example, "freedom" of speech
is a nice theory, but is not practiced as a practical matter.  For another
example, it is illegal to speak and incite a riot.  Simple example, that
shows that some people have some severe delusions about the area of
"freedom", and freedom of speech.

Btw, Alan...  And nobody can force you to charge for something you want to
give away, either.  Unless you are doing something illegal, and even then...
I've given plenty.  Nobody FORCED me to, and nobody FORCED me not to either.
How could they??

Apparently you don't understand the issues as well as you think, Alan.  I
say "apparently", but intend to imply "obviously".

And you obviously haven't understood what I've posted, as I ALREADY posted
the views that "Open" Source is nothing more than "a loss leader" and that
it's best for some things and not others.  So I don't need any help from you
in how to try to think of these issues, so far as what you've posted here
anyway.  Perhaps next time tho, but not in this particular post.


| -----Original Message-----
| [mailto:midrange-nontech-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Alan
| Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:06 PM

| <quote>  Can you give me even ONE example of Any "freedom" which
| IS.. (and this is the key, IN ACTUAL FACT) applied equally to
| all?... the "rule" is a great theory, in the abstract. </quote>
|
| ==> *-Everyone-* is born with "certain unalienable rights", in
| equal measure. Everyone.
|
| IOW, everybody gets free speech, and any violation of that kind
| of right, including discriminatory application, is a theft.
|
| Free speech obviously has cost us a lot. And losing it, as is
| happening now worldwide, costs more.
|
| Any attempt to force me to charge money for telling you something
| (software is generally a "copyright" issue, or "license" issue),
| or sharing a set of algorithms, is an attempt to force me to join
| a cartel, so to speak, to prop up somebody else's idea of how I
| should make my money as a programmer or as a company.
|
| I also don't believe in involuntary servitude, making you work
| without pay. And some day maybe I myself might charge a license,
| I'm not advocating one or the other, except to agree that maybe
| it's the best for some things, not for others.
|
| It might help some to think of it as a "loss leader", a common
| marketing idea. As to fame and name and ego, marketers even have
| a name for the value this provides.
|
| - Alan



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