My comment was not intended to denigrate the good work of John/Neil/Shannon,
eServer magazine or IBM.

The point was the need for exposure in non-IBM oriented publications.

I also agree with your comment on "How do we fix IBM's idiot marketing" thread,
the constant negativity is counter productive as is the constant anti-MS

BTW the continuance of that thread and this one should be moved to the non-tech

Have a good one,


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Paris" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 6:16 AM
Subject: Good Work by John Carr & others

>> It is unfortunate that eServer magazine tends to preach to the

I'm missing something here.  Who else could it possibly preach to?  In the
days when it was just an IBM marketing mouthpiece, you could have sent it to
non-converts, but it would still have fundamentally been just marketing
stuff.  What John and others have done is to raise interest in non-iSeries
publications which is exactly what is needed.

Further on that front, I think that if a few of those on this forum chewing
over the fat (again) on the "How do we fix IBM's idiot marketing" thread
focused instead on the kind of work that John, Neil and Shannon have done it
would be far more productive.  If any thing is preaching to the converted it
is that interminable thread.

If you can think of anything else that eServer mag could do (other than
highlight the great work of John etc.) then please let me know - I'm more
than happy to take it forward to the editor.

PS.  It might interest you to know that the magazine recently had to can a
fabulous article of the "Here's why we're up high on iSeries and doing
everything with it" type that would have made wonderful fodder for you all
to give to your non-believing CIOs.  Why?  Because the customer's senior
management decided that the iSeries was their competitive advantage and they
don't want their competition to know about it!  Sadly this is becoming a
familiar refrain and I can't see how to get past it.

Jon Paris

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