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RE: How has/will AI impacted the RPGLE community?

Oh yes, indeed! I just had a peek at a program where a comment header said it was from 1982. We don't write RPG II programs anymore, and we also are not going to go back and change them all - it's not worth the time. If we happen to make a change, we might update it.

Cheers
Vern


On Thu, 11 Jul, 2024 at 8:21 AM, Justin Taylor <jtaylor.0ab@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


To: midrange-l

I heard Steve Will talking on the Incredible i Show. Converting RPG/36 and
RPG/38 to modern code is one of their goals. So I think it's safe to say
that people probably still use primary and secondary files, and level
breaks.




date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 16:56:36 -0500
from: <tgarvey@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:tgarvey@xxxxxxxxxx>>
subject: RE: How has/will AI impacted the RPGLE community?

I don't want to be one arguing for ChatGPT because I only saw it that one
time, and don't use it. Frankly don't want it on my PC.
But, so it's not comprehensive yet. Is anyone still using matching records
and level breaks, or primary and secondary files? Or even native files at
all? Certainly not in new development or even support if you can avoid it.
Using those techniques might serve as a good argument for redevelopment.

It seemed to me that IBM's effort now (as one takeaway from this morning's
webinar) is to train it properly. They noted that it learns best by using
'pairs' so it can compare one method to another.

Maybe I should wait until we can see the recording again.

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Subject: Re: How has/will AI impacted the RPGLE community?

Buck,

"One might say this is obscure, but who among us will be asking ChatGPT to
explain Z-ADD?"

Ask it to explain primary and secondary files with matching records and
level breaks. I'm curious on that response. ;-)

Doug


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message: 4
date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 17:10:45 -0500
from: Scott Klement <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
subject: Re: HTTPAPI: can anybody point me in the direction of docs or
a good example for http_url_post_raw2

That was 12 years ago.? You can't expect me to remember what exactly was
going on that long ago, and remember all the quirks, etc.. that's asking
a lot.

Essentially, you've created your own fork of HTTPAPI, so it's really up
to you to maintain it.

http_url_post_raw2() isn't really difficult to use. ? You pass it a
procedure address and data length in the parameters.? When retrieving
the data to send, it's going to call a subprocedure with parameters and
return value like this:

dcl-prmyProc int(10);
fd int(10) value;
data char(32767) options(*varsize);
size int(10) value;
end-pr;

It will call that procedure in a loop to get data to send.? You should
code the procedure to read the next chunk of data to send and put it in
the 'data' parameter. The data should be no longer than the 'size' that
it sends you. The return value should be the length of the chunk of data
you provided.

It will call it in a loop, and each time you provide the next chunk of
data until it has sent as many bytes as you originally specified in the
length parameter on the http_url_post_raw2() call.? The call is made as
the data is being sent over the network, so it allows you to send data
without it all needing to be loaded into one big buffer beforehand (thus
keeping the memory footprint smaller.)

On 7/9/2024 4:07 PM, James H. H. Lampert via MIDRANGE-L wrote:
On 7/9/24 1:43 PM, Scott Klement wrote:
Please don't use that routine for new applications, instead use
http_req.

That does not exist in even the standard 2012 version. And there are
things that *do* exist in that version, that don't exist in the
customized 2012 version, because they were never needed.

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message: 5
date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 18:20:03 -0400
from: a4g atl <a4ginatl2@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:a4ginatl2@xxxxxxxxx>>
subject: Can one do a RUNSQL command with VALUES?

I need to do the following. Can it be done?

chgvar &wSqlCmd value('VALUES SYSTOOLS.GENERATE_SPREADSHEET('
+

*tcat 'PATH_NAME => ' +

*bcat '''/tmp/FLT855''' +

*tcat ',' +

*bcat 'SPREADSHEET_QUERY => ' +

*bcat '''select * from dppdata.flt855p2''' +

*tcat ',' +

*bcat 'SPREADSHEET_TYPE => ''xlsx'',' +

*bcat 'COLUMN_HEADINGS => ''LABEL'' )')

RUNSQL SQL(&wsqlcmd) COMMIT(*NONE) NAMING(*SQL)



chgvar &wSqlCmd value('VALUES SYSTOOLS.SEND_EMAIL(' +

*tcat 'TO_EMAIL => ''dfreinkel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dfreinkel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>'',' +

*bcat 'SUBJECT => ''Regenerated FLT855 as requested ''' +

*bcat 'concat (select host_name from
sysibmadm.env_sys_info),' +

*bcat 'BODY => ''Time extracted ''' +

*bcat 'concat current timestamp,' +

*bcat 'ATTACHMENT => ''/tmp/FLT855.xlsx'' )' )

RUNSQL SQL(&wsqlcmd) COMMIT(*NONE) NAMING(*SQL)



Can this be done?


Thank you.

Darryl Freinkel


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date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 15:20:21 -0700
from: VERNON HAMBERG Owner via MIDRANGE-L
<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
subject: Re: How has/will AI impacted the RPGLE community?

I don't think IBM is trying to get AI to generate RPG II code. This raises
the issue of what is the content being used to train the AI app. This is
based on a very brief presentation other than what all these folks saw.

Cheers
Vern


On Wed, 10 Jul, 2024 at 4:28 PM, DEnglander--- via MIDRANGE-L <
midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:


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Cc: DEnglander@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:DEnglander@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Buck,

"One might say this is obscure, but who among us will be asking ChatGPT
to explain Z-ADD?"

Ask it to explain primary and secondary files with matching records and
level breaks. I'm curious on that response. ;-)

Doug


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message: 7
date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 17:26:28 -0500
from: Scott Klement <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
subject: Re: How has/will AI impacted the RPGLE community?

I think Jon is saying that there's no value to IBM in converting RPG to
another language.

Their goal is to make AI to help you write your RPG code, not to convert
you away from their products.

On 7/10/2024 4:09 PM, tgarvey@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:tgarvey@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yes, I saw your name listed in the presentation, along with others
Seems like you're not too optimistic then?

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Subject: Re: How has/will AI impacted the RPGLE community?

Yes, I know. I'm a member of the initial "outsiders" group involved in
the project.


Jon P.

On Jul 10, 2024, at 4:18?PM, <tgarvey@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:tgarvey@xxxxxxxxxx>> <tgarvey@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:tgarvey@xxxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:

Seems like IBM is moving forward with attempting to use AI in support
of RPGLE. They're specifically using some 'tool' named Granite that they
are trying to 'teach' RPGLE and SQL. They are even arranging for
organizations to send them code to use for 'teaching' this tool, with
presumed restrictions on who gets to see the code, etc.
They want it to be able to 'read' RPGLE code and give an English
textual description of what the code actually does. They have already been
able to give it general instructions like 'based on this SQL database
definition, write a maintenance program'. They have other plans too.

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Subject: Re: How has/will AI impacted the RPGLE community?

If it is ever done it won't be by IBM. No mileage in it for them,


Jon P.

On Jul 10, 2024, at 3:28?PM, <tgarvey@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:tgarvey@xxxxxxxxxx>> <tgarvey@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:tgarvey@xxxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:

Hello, everyone,



Just attended the IBM AI Strategy and Update webinar and thought I
might stimulate some discussion.



Seems like a year ago or so when I attended a webinar of a software
vendor who introduced how they were integrating AI into their product.
The demonstration included use of ChatGPT (I think) in which the tool
was told that it understood RPGLE code and a request was made of the
tool to write an RPGLE procedure to perform some minimal mathematic
function. It responded with a clean RPGLE procedure to do that, and
it was compiled and tested. Then the RPGLE source was modified to be
incorrect and the tool was asked to verify the function source code
was correct. The tool found the mistake and pointed out the source
code error and suggested a correction.

I was impressed.



Now I'm wondering if ChatGPT has been improved enough to do something
like:

Given source code for a simple RPGLE green screen entry panel,
convert that code to Visual Basic.



It's exciting to see the direction IBM is going, based on today's
webinar, but I'm wondering how we might be eventually impacted by
these developments?



Any thoughts, opinions? Anybody seen ChatGPT convert RPGLE to VB?



Kind Regards,



Thomas Garvey



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