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date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 16:56:36 -0500--
from: <tgarvey@xxxxxxxxxx>
subject: RE: How has/will AI impacted the RPGLE community?
I don't want to be one arguing for ChatGPT because I only saw it that
one time, and don't use it. Frankly don't want it on my PC.
But, so it's not comprehensive yet. Is anyone still using matching
records and level breaks, or primary and secondary files? Or even
native files at all? Certainly not in new development or even support if you can avoid it.
Using those techniques might serve as a good argument for redevelopment.
It seemed to me that IBM's effort now (as one takeaway from this
morning's
webinar) is to train it properly. They noted that it learns best by
using 'pairs' so it can compare one method to another.
Maybe I should wait until we can see the recording again.
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Buck,
"One might say this is obscure, but who among us will be asking
ChatGPT to explain Z-ADD?"
Ask it to explain primary and secondary files with matching records
and level breaks. I'm curious on that response. ;-)
Doug
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message: 4
date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 17:10:45 -0500
from: Scott Klement <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: HTTPAPI: can anybody point me in the direction of docs or
a good example for http_url_post_raw2
That was 12 years ago.? You can't expect me to remember what exactly
was going on that long ago, and remember all the quirks, etc.. that's
asking a lot.
Essentially, you've created your own fork of HTTPAPI, so it's really
up to you to maintain it.
http_url_post_raw2() isn't really difficult to use. ? You pass it a
procedure address and data length in the parameters.? When retrieving
the data to send, it's going to call a subprocedure with parameters
and return value like this:
dcl-prmyProc int(10);
fd int(10) value;
data char(32767) options(*varsize);
size int(10) value;
end-pr;
It will call that procedure in a loop to get data to send.? You should
code the procedure to read the next chunk of data to send and put it
in the 'data' parameter. The data should be no longer than the 'size'
that it sends you. The return value should be the length of the chunk
of data you provided.
It will call it in a loop, and each time you provide the next chunk of
data until it has sent as many bytes as you originally specified in
the length parameter on the http_url_post_raw2() call.? The call is
made as the data is being sent over the network, so it allows you to
send data without it all needing to be loaded into one big buffer
beforehand (thus keeping the memory footprint smaller.)
On 7/9/2024 4:07 PM, James H. H. Lampert via MIDRANGE-L wrote:
On 7/9/24 1:43 PM, Scott Klement wrote:
Please don't use that routine for new applications, instead use
http_req.
That does not exist in even the standard 2012 version. And there are
things that *do* exist in that version, that don't exist in the
customized 2012 version, because they were never needed.
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message: 5
date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 18:20:03 -0400
from: a4g atl <a4ginatl2@xxxxxxxxx>
subject: Can one do a RUNSQL command with VALUES?
I need to do the following. Can it be done?
chgvar &wSqlCmd value('VALUES SYSTOOLS.GENERATE_SPREADSHEET('
+
*tcat 'PATH_NAME => ' +
*bcat '''/tmp/FLT855''' +
*tcat ',' +
*bcat 'SPREADSHEET_QUERY => ' +
*bcat '''select * from dppdata.flt855p2''' +
*tcat ',' +
*bcat 'SPREADSHEET_TYPE => ''xlsx'',' +
*bcat 'COLUMN_HEADINGS => ''LABEL'' )')
RUNSQL SQL(&wsqlcmd) COMMIT(*NONE) NAMING(*SQL)
chgvar &wSqlCmd value('VALUES SYSTOOLS.SEND_EMAIL(' +
*tcat 'TO_EMAIL => ''dfreinkel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'','
+
*bcat 'SUBJECT => ''Regenerated FLT855 as requested
''' +
*bcat 'concat (select host_name from
sysibmadm.env_sys_info),' +
*bcat 'BODY => ''Time extracted ''' +
*bcat 'concat current timestamp,' +
*bcat 'ATTACHMENT => ''/tmp/FLT855.xlsx'' )' )
RUNSQL SQL(&wsqlcmd) COMMIT(*NONE) NAMING(*SQL)
Can this be done?
Thank you.
Darryl Freinkel
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message: 6
date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 15:20:21 -0700
from: VERNON HAMBERG Owner via MIDRANGE-L
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subject: Re: How has/will AI impacted the RPGLE community?
I don't think IBM is trying to get AI to generate RPG II code. This
raises the issue of what is the content being used to train the AI
app. This is based on a very brief presentation other than what all these folks saw.
Cheers
Vern
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Buck,
"One might say this is obscure, but who among us will be asking
ChatGPT to explain Z-ADD?"
Ask it to explain primary and secondary files with matching records
and level breaks. I'm curious on that response. ;-)
Doug
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message: 7
date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 17:26:28 -0500
from: Scott Klement <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
subject: Re: How has/will AI impacted the RPGLE community?
I think Jon is saying that there's no value to IBM in converting RPG
to another language.
Their goal is to make AI to help you write your RPG code, not to
convert you away from their products.
On 7/10/2024 4:09 PM, tgarvey@xxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Yes, I saw your name listed in the presentation, along with others.Seems like you're not too optimistic then?
Jon Paris
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Yes, I know. I'm a member of the initial "outsiders" group involved
in
wrote:
Jon P.
On Jul 10, 2024, at 4:18?PM, <tgarvey@xxxxxxxxxx>
<tgarvey@xxxxxxxxxx>
of RPGLE. They're specifically using some 'tool' named Granite that
Seems like IBM is moving forward with attempting to use AI in
support
they are trying to 'teach' RPGLE and SQL. They are even arranging for
organizations to send them code to use for 'teaching' this tool, with
presumed restrictions on who gets to see the code, etc.
textual description of what the code actually does. They have alreadyThey want it to be able to 'read' RPGLE code and give an English
been able to give it general instructions like 'based on this SQL
database definition, write a maintenance program'. They have other plans too.
wrote:
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If it is ever done it won't be by IBM. No mileage in it for them,
Jon P.
On Jul 10, 2024, at 3:28?PM, <tgarvey@xxxxxxxxxx>
<tgarvey@xxxxxxxxxx>
code error and suggested a correction.
Hello, everyone,
Just attended the IBM AI Strategy and Update webinar and thought I
might stimulate some discussion.
Seems like a year ago or so when I attended a webinar of a
software vendor who introduced how they were integrating AI into their product.
The demonstration included use of ChatGPT (I think) in which the
tool was told that it understood RPGLE code and a request was made
of the tool to write an RPGLE procedure to perform some minimal
mathematic function. It responded with a clean RPGLE procedure to
do that, and it was compiled and tested. Then the RPGLE source was
modified to be incorrect and the tool was asked to verify the
function source code was correct. The tool found the mistake and
pointed out the source
like:
I was impressed.
Now I'm wondering if ChatGPT has been improved enough to do
something
these developments?
Given source code for a simple RPGLE green screen entry panel,
convert that code to Visual Basic.
It's exciting to see the direction IBM is going, based on today's
webinar, but I'm wondering how we might be eventually impacted by
related questions.
Any thoughts, opinions? Anybody seen ChatGPT convert RPGLE to VB?
Kind Regards,
Thomas Garvey
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