RE: Question on effectiveness of additional processors -- MIDRANGE-L

Unless someone's already mentioned it, it's not just the P-level you have to be concerned with. Many 3rd party software companies count cores when calculating the fees you have to pay to use their software!

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-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Jim Oberholtzer
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2022 10:22 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Question on effectiveness of additional processors

Back to my original reply, it depends. Most likely yes.

On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 8:01 AM a4g atl <a4ginatl2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Thank you, Jim.
I would be looking at enabling additional cores not an additional
processor.
My question is, if we enable the additional cores, will we see a
performance improvement of some kind?
THanks, Darryl.

On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 8:16 PM Jim Oberholtzer <
midrangel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

The P05 systems are the 4 core boxes, I suspect given the description

this

is a 6 or 8 core system which would make it a P10. In either case,

adding

a core to the existing one will not change the P level.

What might be a slight added cost is if the system was ordered without

all

the cores activated, then there will be a charge for activating the
hardware portion. Again, that’s not cost prohibitive.

Jim Oberholtzer
Agile Technology Architects

On Sep 28, 2022, at 4:34 PM, Don Brown via MIDRANGE-L <

midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Are you on P05 or P10 licensing ?

If on P05 I think activating another processor will put you into P10

which

to me is significant cost.

Cheers

Don

From: "a4g atl" <a4ginatl2@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "Midrange Systems Technical Discussion"
<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 29/09/2022 04:55 AM
Subject: Re: Question on effectiveness of additional processors
Sent by: "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Apologies, I missed the versions etc.
We are at 7.3 and very old PTF's Back to when the system was delivered

I

think. Long before my time..

Our performance is not bad. But if the cost is reas, we may consider
another processor
Darryl.

On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 2:25 PM Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Jim's comments still stand.

What release(s) are you running?
Do you keep current on PTFs?
The reason I ask is that there are some charts in the New Navigator at
http://youribmi:2002/Navigator , Performance, Graph History which may

help

Then again I still get baffled by what is an acceptable page

faulting. I

think that's an ever evolving number.

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I am looking at adding Flash disk to the system and creating 2 more

LPARS.

So the question is would it be of benefit there.
Darryl.

On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 1:49 PM a4g atl <a4ginatl2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

@Dawn, I attended the conference earlier this year so unfortunately,

I

won;t be able to attend this one. I'd love to though.
Darryl.

On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 1:37 PM Dawn May <dawnmayican@xxxxxxxxxxx>

wrote:

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For anyone attending NAViGATE and interested in performance, I have

a

session “Understand your IBM i Performance Signature” where I

explain

how

to use the performance data investigator and what the charts tell

you.

Collection Services data can tell you a lot about what resources are
constrained and where you can benefit from hardware upgrades.
It can also show you if you have contention or scaling issues -

throwing

hardware at a system with contention issues won’t help.

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Dawn

On Sep 28, 2022, at 1:09 PM, MidrangeL

<midrangel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

wrote:

That answer is: "it depends"

Is the system processor constrained? IE: is the CPU % at or near

90%

during peak times? Is there latent demand that is only met after a

period

of waiting?

Is the system memory constrained? Are paging and faulting levels

high

enough that the system spends quite a bit of resource moving memory

around?

Is the system I/O constrained? Is the system waiting for I/O

operations to complete before moving on to the next task? Look at

Disk

busy during peak loads.

Each of those questions can be answered by the performance tools,

which

will then guide you where to spend your money. Adding a core will

most

likely improve system responsiveness either way since I/O and Memory

also

include using system resources to maximize them, but that may not be

the

root cause of the performance issue.

Check out Dawn May's blogs regarding using the performance tools to

diagnose the problem. Then you will spend the correct money on the

correct

thing. Don't know how to use the tools; get your business partner

or

an

independent consultant to look at it. IBM will do it as well via

the

Lab

Services Group.

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Jim Oberholtzer
Chief Technical Architect
Agile Technology Architects

------ Original Message ------
From "a4g atl" <a4ginatl2@xxxxxxxxx>
To "midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date 9/28/2022 11:57:12 AM
Subject Question on effectiveness of additional processors

How effective are additional processors on the system.

We have a Power8 with 1 processor activated.
If we activate another processor or 2, what benefits should I see?
I have heard that the additional processor will not make much

difference,

so why would IBM provide for additional processors?

What am I missing?

TIA, Darryl Freinkel.
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