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Re: List of objects not saved with SWA while locked.

Well me personally, I would be looking at whether I can down the product
(receives included) to get a save - but I tend to only save the HA software
libraries after a configuration change, or patching/upgrade of the
software. I don't quite get why the receive process needs to be active, if
you want to save the libraries, presumably they have told you this can stay
alive with no impact.

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 9:24 AM Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Why did you put the "if" on the question?
Because it is their own software. We hold the applies. I didn't say we
hold the receives.


Rob Berendt
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From: "Evan Harris" <auctionitis@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "Midrange Systems Technical Discussion"
<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 01/14/2019 03:15 PM
Subject: Re: List of objects not saved with SWA while locked.
Sent by: "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>



So what locks them if not their own software ?
Not questioning your approach, just curious.

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 9:01 AM Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

We do shut down the apply jobs.
The objects locked are not in our "data" libraries but are in the HA's
data library.


Rob Berendt
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Group Dekko
Dept 1600
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Garrett, IN 46738
Ship to: Dock 108
6928N 400E
Kendallville, IN 46755
http://www.dekko.com





From: "Evan Harris" <auctionitis@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "Midrange Systems Technical Discussion"
<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 01/14/2019 02:55 PM
Subject: Re: List of objects not saved with SWA while locked.
Sent by: "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>



Hi Rob

why would you not shut down the HA apply jobs while you do your save or
at
least while you get a sync point for your SWA ?

On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 2:30 AM Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

HA vendor is assuming I am doing my SWA wrong. I replied with
CRTSAVF SAVF(YOURLIB/YOURFILE)
SAVOBJ OBJ(YOURUSRIDX) LIB(HALIB) DEV(*SAVF) OBJTYPE(*USRIDX)
SAVF(YOURLIB/YOURFILE) SAVACT(*SYSDFN) SAVACTWAIT(10)
and asked them what I am doing wrong.

Objects are locked by their software while following their
recommendations
for saving a target HA system.

I also asked them if it was an issue if the objects only get backed up
once a quarter during our restricted state save.


Rob Berendt
--
IBM Certified System Administrator - IBM i 6.1
Group Dekko
Dept 1600
Mail to: 2505 Dekko Drive
Garrett, IN 46738
Ship to: Dock 108
6928N 400E
Kendallville, IN 46755
http://www.dekko.com





From: "Jim Oberholtzer" <midrangel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'"
<midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 01/14/2019 08:10 AM
Subject: RE: List of objects not saved with SWA while locked.
Sent by: "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>



Rob,

I'm not aware of a list such as that because of IBM's favorite answer:
"It
depends......" and in this case it truly does.

You picked on two of the biggest object types in your note, but data
areas
would qualify as well on that list. Many folks love to read the data
area
into RPG with a lock, update it and release. If the save catches it
during
the lock, it will not back up the data area object.

UDFS falls into the "maybe" category. Again depends on the status at
the
time.

There are a number of other objects in the IFS that will not back up
when
open as well. That list is entirely depended on the system and what's
running.

Then again, you already know all of that.
--
Jim Oberholtzer
Agile Technology Architects

-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of
Rob
Berendt
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 7:01 AM
To: midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: List of objects not saved with SWA while locked.

Is there a list of objects which are normally skipped by Save While
Active
if they are still locked? *USRIDX and *USRQ objects seem to be an
issue.
Is there some IBM documentation somewhere on this?


Rob Berendt
--
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Group Dekko
Dept 1600
Mail to: 2505 Dekko Drive
Garrett, IN 46738
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