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Larry,
I only have a few LPARS, an no VIOS.
So with this new Ethernet AGG config option, I'm rethinking my overall Ethernet configuration.
Instead of having each LPAR have its own 5899, which I've done in the past,
I'd have my main LPAR own all 3 5899, then Ethernet bridge to the other LPARS as needed.
Any Pros/Cons on this?
Question,
Are there any reasons why an LPAR should/must have its own physical Ethernet?
It's been years since I configured the bridge.
Reviewing the Ethernet bridge configuration.
Looking at my current config, I see you can only assign one resource for the bridge, CMN10 in this case.
That resource is a virtual resource, CMN10 268C.
Question,
So no actual physical resources are required for the bridge, is this correct?
Line description . . . . . . . . . : ETHBRIDGE
Option . . . . . . . . . . . . . . : *BASIC
Category of line . . . . . . . . . : *ELAN
Resource name . . . . . . . . . . : CMN10
Bridge identifier . . . . . . . . : BRIDGE1
Looking back at my old notes, I found IBM tech doc N1011193 - Ethernet Bridging Between IBM i Host and IBM i Guest.
There is a statement within this that raises some concerns.
Important Note: IBM suggests that the selected Ethernet resources be used for only layer-2 bridging and not for IBM i TCP/IP configuration. There is a significant increase in processor usage for any host traffic that uses bridged resources. In addition, any line description that is used for bridging receives many frames that are not useful to the TCP/IP stack. These frames use unnecessary processing resources. The virtual Ethernet line on the host does not require an interface. You only need the physical and virtual lines active for the bridge function to work. You should not have an interface on the physical line used for the bridge either. Create a separate physical line & interface for network traffic on the Host.
So what is IBM exactly stating here?
Paul
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Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 9:14 AM
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Absolutely and another thing I recommend. It gives some additional
throughput as well as redundancy for those hosted LPARs.
- Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis
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On 10/19/2018 9:06 AM, Steinmetz, Paul wrote:
Larry,
Can the ETHAGG line also be bridged for use on another LPAR.
Years back I created a Ethernet bridge for my Ethernet on one my sandbox LPARS.
Paul
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YES and I recommend this. The limit is 8 ports aggregated and in theory
those could be from two to eight physical cards. Of course eight is a
lot of switch ports to chew up!!
- Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis
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On 10/19/2018 8:32 AM, Steinmetz, Paul wrote:
Larry,
Thanks for the additional info.
Another question.
If I had a 2nd 5899, could I include some or all of those resources as part of the line description.
This would provide a higher level of protection.
If the entire 5899 would fail, the 2nd 5899 would keep everything up and running.
CRTLINETH LIND(ETHAGG) RSRCNAME(*AGG) AGGPCY(*LNKAGG *DFT) AGGRSCL(CMN02 CMN03 CMN10 CMN11)
Paul
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You are correct that this support was enabled in TR3 though LACP wasn't
supported until a later TR (TR7) which hopefully every one already has!!!
You should choose *LNKAGG if your switches support that. This is a more
standard implementation while *ETHCHL was a Cisco only spec that some
other manufacturers did support.
For the policy that's an 'It Depends' question as this is what
determines which link in the bundle to send the packets across. Consider
that with a single connection between IBM i and another device, such as
each file during an FTP session, only 1 link of the bundle is used. This
simply determines which of the links is chosen for each connection.
If you have a lot of connections (e.g. many users) then I recommend
leaving the default of *DFT there. Second choice would be *SRCDESTP.
Do note that in this thread there has been discussion about vPC/vLAGG
(Virtual Port Channel/Virtual Link Agg). This is not supported in very
many switches in my experience but more importantly I have never been
able to make it work from IBM i to a switch pair that DOES support it.
IN THEORY it should work as there isn't any config required on the
downstream (which would be IBM i) Side.
- Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis
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On 10/18/2018 8:52 AM, Steinmetz, Paul wrote:
First of all, thanks to everyone for all the tips and links.
I did some research.
Ethernet Link Aggregation was announced 10/14/2011 V7R1 TR3.
This is why it is missing from most of the "older" links on TCP/IP load balancing/fail over.
Also referencing link by Dawn May,
http://ibmsystemsmag.com/blogs/i-can/archive/ethernet-link-aggregation-in-ibm-i/
"In short, Ethernet Link Aggregation lets 7.1 TR3 users make better use of their Ethernet resources, potentially improving the reliability and performance of their network workloads without purchasing any additional hardware."
ELA is probably the simplest, easiest, quickest to implement.
>From Dawn's example,
CRTLINETH LIND(ETHAGG) RSRCNAME(*AGG) AGGPCY(*ETHCHL *SRCDESTP) AGGRSCL(CMN02 CMN03)
Questions.
1) Our proposed switch will be Cisco Catalyst 6506-E
Do I have options on the Cisco or must LACP be used?
2) Should AGGPCY be set to *ETHCHL or *LNKAGG?
Based on the one link, I'm thinking *LNKAGG
IBM(r) i Link Aggregation supports static aggregation (*ETHCHL) with any link partner, and supports LACP (*LNKAGG) with Cisco and IBM Networking switches. Other LACP-capable link partners might work, but are not officially supported.
*ETHCHL
Specifies to use Etherchannel technology to allow
several Ethernet adapters to be aggregated together to
form a single psuedo Ethernet device.
*LNKAGG
Specifies to use IEEE 802.3ad Link Aggregation
technology to allow several Ethernet adapters to be
aggregated together to form a single psuedo Ethernet
device.
3) What should Policy type be set to? *DFT, *SRCPORT, *DESTPORT, *SRCDESTP, *RNDRBN
*DFT
The adapter selection algorithm uses the last byte of the
Destination IP address (for TCP/IP traffic) or MAC address (for ARP
and other non-IP traffic). This mode is typically the best initial
choice for a server with a large number of clients.
*SRCPORT
The adapter selection algorithm uses the source TCP/IP or UDP port
value.
*DESTPORT
The outgoing adapter path is selected via an algorithm using the
destination TCP/IP or UDP port value.
*SRCDESTP
The outgoing adapter path is selected via an algorithm using the
combined source and destination TCP or UDP port values.
*RNDRBN
Outgoing traffic is spread evenly across all the adapter ports in
the Etherchannel. This mode is the typical choice for two host
connected back-to-back (i.e. without a intervening switch).
Paul
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Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 2:46 PM
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Subject: RE: How to configure a 2nd Enthernet port to a 2nd Eternet Switch for Load balancing/fail over
Jim,
The solution you sent in the first link appears the simplest/easiest.
Ethernet Link Aggregation - Link Aggregation binds several full-duplex Ethernet links running at the same speed together into one logical link with a single Media Access Control (MAC) address.
One interface, One line description with multiple resources.
I'm not seeing that solution as part of the 2nd link starting at page 25.
Is this a "newer" solution, possibly not included with some of the older docs.
Paul
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Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 2:31 PM
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Rob:
VIOS is by far and away the best way to virtualize Ethernet and provide for
failover/load balancing. That said I don't think Paul has that environment.
Paul:
As someone pointed out VIPA might fit the situation as well. Here's a
document that explains all:
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/ssw_ibm_i_72/rzajw/rzajwpdf.pdf
Start on about page 25. It'll talk about workload balancing and then next
scenario is failover.
I find VIPA to be confusing to most folks, particularly the non IBM i
network administrator that will most likely understand what your trying to
do but then not be helpful in the end since it's not Microsoft/Cisco.
--
Jim Oberholtzer
Agile Technology Architects
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We use two VIOS lpars. One controls one ethernet card and the other
controls the other. They both go to different switches.
I'm so damned confident of this solution that I've upgraded VIOS during the
middle of the day. Of course when you use the same solution on three Power
systems and you test it out on the sandbox machine first it helps.
Rob Berendt
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Jim,
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/ssw_ibm_i_73/rzajy/rzajylinka
gg.htm
Thanks for that link.
The diagram was very helpful.
So only one interface and line description are used.
No changes to the interface, only to the line description.
AGGPCY (Aggregate policy) would be set to either *ETHCHL or *LNKAGG (Not
sure which method at this point)
AGGRSCL (Aggregated resource list) would contain the resource names CMN01,
CMN02.
One key question.
The link prerequisites states that this solution is only valid everything
is going to one/same switch.
" All of the ports must be connected to the same link partner (switch)."
My intended solution is going to a 2nd switch.
Is there a different configuration if a 2nd switch is involved?
Paul
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https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/ssw_ibm_i_73/rzajy/rzajylinka
gg.htm
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Subject: How to configure a 2nd Enthernet port to a 2nd Eternet Switch for
Load balancing/fail over
I'm looking for a resource (pdf/link) on how to configure a 2nd Ethernet
port to a 2nd Ethernet Switch for Load balancing/fail over.
The goal is to provide a higher level of redundancy for if either the 5899
PCI port or the Ethernet switch would fail.
The 2nd port would be connected to a 2nd switch.
I need the details for both the Interface and line description, and any
other TCP/IP config changes (default routes, static routes, etc), if
needed.
Thank You
_____
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