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RE: BRMS literate (was SAVE 21 and stay restricted)

I have two QSTRUP programs.
QSTRUP - normal IPL
QSTRUPRES - restricted IPL

In my save, or before my save, I CHGSYSVAL SYSVAL(QSTRUPPGM) VALUE('QSTRUPRES GPL')

When my save finishes, LPAR comes up basically in a restricted state.


PGM QSTRUPRES

STRTCP STRSVR(*YES) STRIFC(*YES) STRPTPPRF(*YES) +
STRIP6(*NO) /* CHGIPLA STRTCP *NO ; NEED +
TO STRTCP IN QSTRUP TO DISABLE IPV6 */
MONMSG MSGID(CPF0000) /* T */

CHGSYSVAL SYSVAL(QSTRUPPGM) VALUE('QSTRUP GPL')
MONMSG MSGID(CPF0000)

ENDPGM

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Luis Rodriguez
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 12:15 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: BRMS literate (was SAVE 21 and stay restricted)

Better yet, create a *DTAARA that contains options for the QSTRUP program.

You could for example, say that if the IPL_CONFIG *DTAARA object has an 'X'
in position 1 end the CL at once. If it has an 'X' in position 2 Do not start printers, etc.

That way you don't have to change your QSTRUP pgm every time you need different IPL options.

HTH,

Luis


On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 11:57 AM Lindstrom, Scott R. < Scott.Lindstrom@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

My vendor was also for a cache battery replacement.

I would change my QSTRUP program to have a RETURN as the first
executable statement. So while the system technically started not
much really did start and shutdown was quick.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Lindstrom, Scott R.
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 10:55 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: BRMS literate (was SAVE 21 and stay restricted)

I had a hardware vendor that required the same signed statement. But
I don't think they cared if it was a BRMS save or a native save - as
long as you said you had one.

Scott Lindstrom

-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Jeff Crosby
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 10:32 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: BRMS literate (was SAVE 21 and stay restricted)

I double-checked and they are BRMS literate. My mistake.

Some years back they had an incident where a company swore they had a
SAVE
21 tape. They didn't. That company then found out their regular
backups were incomplete. They experienced a loss of data including
some engineering docs dating to the birth of said company. Oops.

Since that time they have required customers to sign a document they
have a SAVE 21.



On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Sorry, didn't see this.
I suggest a different tech company. If they're totally BRMS
illiterate then the odds are not likely they are a certified IBM i administrator.

I've done unload/reload's from BRMS. Like from Power 6 to Power 8.
It's a great way to test the validity of your BRMS recovery reports.

However, it's probably getting close to time so you aren't likely to
switch (at least for this occurrence).

I, too, did not see STRSBS in QMNSAVE. I also checked for an API
which may have been called. Such as those at

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ibm.com_suppo
rt_knowledgecenter_en_ssw-5Fibm-5Fi-5F73_apis_wm1.htm&d=DQICAg&c=_2Jym
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5e2NyAYJf7BA0Hs&e=
and didn't see such a beast.

And nothing at
20. Define save system and user data defaults grabbed my
attention as applicable.

One option is to tell the save to prompt for commands and F12 out of
the final STRSBS. (I'd love the see the program call stack at that
time!) Of course, you may lose time baby sitting the commands versus
starting
the
save, going for dinner and coming back when you expect it to be done.
You
may find it just more beneficial to accept it and end the subsystems
at the end. Ensuring that you fully follow their directions (as
shown in
the
help for option 21):
ENDTCPSVR SERVER(*ALL)
ENDHOSTSVR SERVER(*ALL) ENDACTCNN(*DATABASE *FILE) DLYJOB
JOB(number-of-seconds) ENDTCP CONFIRM(*NO) DLYJOB
JOB(number-of-seconds) ENDSBS SBS(*ALL) OPTION(*IMMED)

I'd do it slightly different. But, no, ENDSBS *ALL does not negate
needing to run the appropriate ENDTCPSVR, ENDHOSTSVR, ENDTCP. TCP
has gotten pretty persistent that bad things may happen if one
assumes that just doing ENDSBS is sufficient. Really bad.

Rob Berendt
--
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Garrett, IN 46738
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From: Jeff Crosby <jlcrosby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 11/01/2016 09:32 AM
Subject: Re: SAVE 21 and stay restricted
Sent by: "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>



Because the recovery steps are different. Neither I nor the tech
has recovered a full system from a BRMS save (I've never had to
recover ANY system by any means). The tech company requested a SAVE
21 so that's
what
I'm going to give them.

On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Steinmetz, Paul
<PSteinmetz@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Jeff,

Just curious.

Why are you doing a Save 21 if you have BRMS?
Why not do a similar process from BRMS?

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Jeff Crosby
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:22 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: SAVE 21 and stay restricted

We have BRMS as well.

I did a RTVCLSRC on QMNSAVE. There's no STRSBS in there. And
there's
no
CHKTAP either, but I know a SAVE 21 does one.

That CL program is not CL 101 methinks. :)



On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Jim Oberholtzer <
midrangel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
wrote:

The "21" save is really just a CLP (QMNSAVE) that IBM wrote to
back up the system. So to stop the system from coming back up
modify the program so the very last step does not start the
controlling subsystem.

Better yet, create a new start up program that only sends a
message
to
the operator message queue that says "I ran!" and then stops.
That's the easiest. When you're done set it back to normal.

This is all assuming you do not have BRMS as well.

--
Jim Oberholtzer
Agile Technology Architects


-----Original Message-----
From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Of
Jeff Crosby
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 7:54 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: SAVE 21 and stay restricted

IBM i 7.1, up to date on PTFs.

Saturday I will be doing a SAVE 21 prior to a cache battery replace.
The SAVE 21 will be attended because I'm using a library device.

When finished with the SAVE 21, I would like the system to stay
in restricted state. The tech is going to fail the cache
battery at
that
point and we'll issue a PWRDWNSYS. It seems like a waste to
start
the
controlling subsystem only to immediately shut it down again.

I found this
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.itjungle.com_f
hg_fhg051612-2Dstory03.html&d=DQICAg&c=_2JymsjkoSdpgdT4DmA4bg&r=-518Il
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C8baG18qJpSm4&s=XZrVSObhf04jlMeeI64kZPDTLwOq62Te2Dvcw6cPPH8&e=
but
it's from 4 years ago and seems overkill for a one-off.

Question: Because it's attended, when the command comes up at
the
end
to start the controlling subsystem, what happens if I hit F12?
Or
F3?
Will that work and leave it restricted?

Thanks.


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