Re: BRMS literate (was SAVE 21 and stay restricted)

[Luis Rodriguez <luisro58@xxxxxxxxx>]

Better yet, create a *DTAARA that contains options for the QSTRUP program.

You could for example, say that if the IPL_CONFIG *DTAARA object has an 'X'
in position 1 end the CL at once. If it has an 'X' in position 2 Do not
start printers, etc.

That way you don't have to change your QSTRUP pgm every time you need
different IPL options.

HTH,

Luis


On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 11:57 AM Lindstrom, Scott R. <
Scott.Lindstrom@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> My vendor was also for  a cache battery replacement.
>
> I would change my QSTRUP program to have a RETURN as the first executable
> statement.  So while the system technically started not much really did
> start and shutdown was quick.
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lindstrom, Scott R.
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 10:55 AM
> To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: RE: BRMS literate (was SAVE 21 and stay restricted)
>
> I had a hardware vendor that required the same signed statement.  But I
> don't think they cared if it was a BRMS save or a native save  - as long as
> you said you had one.
>
> Scott Lindstrom
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Jeff Crosby
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 10:32 AM
> To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: BRMS literate (was SAVE 21 and stay restricted)
>
> I double-checked and they are BRMS literate.  My mistake.
>
> Some years back they had an incident where a company swore they had a SAVE
> 21 tape.  They didn't.  That company then found out their regular backups
> were incomplete.  They experienced a loss of data including some
> engineering docs dating to the birth of said company.  Oops.
>
> Since that time they have required customers to sign a document they have a
> SAVE 21.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Sorry, didn't see this.
> > I suggest a different tech company.  If they're totally BRMS illiterate
> > then the odds are not likely they are a certified IBM i administrator.
> >
> > I've done unload/reload's from BRMS.  Like from Power 6 to Power 8.  It's
> > a great way to test the validity of your BRMS recovery reports.
> >
> > However, it's probably getting close to time so you aren't likely to
> > switch (at least for this occurrence).
> >
> > I, too, did not see STRSBS in QMNSAVE.  I also checked for an API which
> > may have been called.  Such as those at
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ibm.com_support_knowledgecenter_en_ssw-5Fibm-5Fi-5F73_apis_wm1.htm&d=DQICAg&c=_2JymsjkoSdpgdT4DmA4bg&r=-518Ilz5cVhEAzb0mENLKbaCPCUJ_jWIaTTDYAFSng4&m=sBG__CE1k3F1co7ZSS52-5VTBxz1P9C8baG18qJpSm4&s=d3S-vcjITrYomrnF6z7kCPcto0oi5e2NyAYJf7BA0Hs&e=
> > and didn't see such a beast.
> >
> > And nothing at
> >     20. Define save system and user data defaults
> > grabbed my attention as applicable.
> >
> > One option is to tell the save to prompt for commands and F12 out of the
> > final STRSBS.  (I'd love the see the program call stack at that time!)
> > Of course, you may lose time baby sitting the commands versus starting
> the
> > save, going for dinner and coming back when you expect it to be done.
> You
> > may find it just more beneficial to accept it and end the subsystems at
> > the end.  Ensuring that you fully follow their directions (as shown in
> the
> > help for option 21):
> > ENDTCPSVR SERVER(*ALL)
> > ENDHOSTSVR SERVER(*ALL) ENDACTCNN(*DATABASE *FILE)
> > DLYJOB JOB(number-of-seconds)
> > ENDTCP CONFIRM(*NO)
> > DLYJOB JOB(number-of-seconds)
> > ENDSBS SBS(*ALL) OPTION(*IMMED)
> >
> > I'd do it slightly different.  But, no, ENDSBS *ALL does not negate
> > needing to run the appropriate ENDTCPSVR, ENDHOSTSVR, ENDTCP.  TCP has
> > gotten pretty persistent that bad things may happen if one assumes that
> > just doing ENDSBS is sufficient.  Really bad.
> >
> > Rob Berendt
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> > From:   Jeff Crosby <jlcrosby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To:     Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date:   11/01/2016 09:32 AM
> > Subject:        Re: SAVE 21 and stay restricted
> > Sent by:        "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> >
> >
> > Because the recovery steps are different.  Neither I nor the tech has
> > recovered a full system from a BRMS save (I've never had to recover ANY
> > system by any means).  The tech company requested a SAVE 21 so that's
> what
> > I'm going to give them.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Steinmetz, Paul <PSteinmetz@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Jeff,
> > >
> > > Just curious.
> > >
> > > Why are you doing a Save 21 if you have BRMS?
> > > Why not do a similar process from BRMS?
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> > > Jeff Crosby
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:22 AM
> > > To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
> > > Subject: Re: SAVE 21 and stay restricted
> > >
> > > We have BRMS as well.
> > >
> > > I did a RTVCLSRC on QMNSAVE.  There's no STRSBS in there.  And there's
> > no
> > > CHKTAP either, but I know a SAVE 21 does one.
> > >
> > > That CL program is not CL 101 methinks.  :)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Jim Oberholtzer <
> > > midrangel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > The "21" save is really just a CLP  (QMNSAVE) that IBM wrote to back
> > > > up the system.  So to stop the system from coming back up modify the
> > > > program so the very last step does not start the controlling
> > > > subsystem.
> > > >
> > > > Better yet, create a new start up program that only sends a message
> to
> > > > the operator message queue that says "I ran!" and then stops.  That's
> > > > the easiest.  When you're done set it back to normal.
> > > >
> > > > This is all assuming you do not have BRMS as well.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jim Oberholtzer
> > > > Agile Technology Architects
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
> > > > Jeff Crosby
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 7:54 AM
> > > > To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
> > > > Subject: SAVE 21 and stay restricted
> > > >
> > > > IBM i 7.1, up to date on PTFs.
> > > >
> > > > Saturday I will be doing a SAVE 21 prior to a cache battery replace.
> > > > The SAVE 21 will be attended because I'm using a library device.
> > > >
> > > > When finished with the SAVE 21, I would like the system to stay in
> > > > restricted state.  The tech is going to fail the cache battery at
> that
> > > > point and we'll issue a PWRDWNSYS.  It seems like a waste to start
> the
> > > > controlling subsystem only to immediately shut it down again.
> > > >
> > > > I found this
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> but
> > > > it's from 4 years ago and seems overkill for a one-off.
> > > >
> > > > Question:  Because it's attended, when the command comes up at the
> end
> > > > to start the controlling subsystem, what happens if I hit F12?  Or
> F3?
> > > > Will that work and leave it restricted?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > >
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