BRMS literate (was SAVE 21 and stay restricted)

[Jeff Crosby <jlcrosby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I double-checked and they are BRMS literate.  My mistake.

Some years back they had an incident where a company swore they had a SAVE
21 tape.  They didn't.  That company then found out their regular backups
were incomplete.  They experienced a loss of data including some
engineering docs dating to the birth of said company.  Oops.

Since that time they have required customers to sign a document they have a
SAVE 21.



On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Rob Berendt <rob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Sorry, didn't see this.
> I suggest a different tech company.  If they're totally BRMS illiterate
> then the odds are not likely they are a certified IBM i administrator.
>
> I've done unload/reload's from BRMS.  Like from Power 6 to Power 8.  It's
> a great way to test the validity of your BRMS recovery reports.
>
> However, it's probably getting close to time so you aren't likely to
> switch (at least for this occurrence).
>
> I, too, did not see STRSBS in QMNSAVE.  I also checked for an API which
> may have been called.  Such as those at
> https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/ssw_ibm_i_73/apis/wm1.htm
> and didn't see such a beast.
>
> And nothing at
>     20. Define save system and user data defaults
> grabbed my attention as applicable.
>
> One option is to tell the save to prompt for commands and F12 out of the
> final STRSBS.  (I'd love the see the program call stack at that time!)
> Of course, you may lose time baby sitting the commands versus starting the
> save, going for dinner and coming back when you expect it to be done.  You
> may find it just more beneficial to accept it and end the subsystems at
> the end.  Ensuring that you fully follow their directions (as shown in the
> help for option 21):
> ENDTCPSVR SERVER(*ALL)
> ENDHOSTSVR SERVER(*ALL) ENDACTCNN(*DATABASE *FILE)
> DLYJOB JOB(number-of-seconds)
> ENDTCP CONFIRM(*NO)
> DLYJOB JOB(number-of-seconds)
> ENDSBS SBS(*ALL) OPTION(*IMMED)
>
> I'd do it slightly different.  But, no, ENDSBS *ALL does not negate
> needing to run the appropriate ENDTCPSVR, ENDHOSTSVR, ENDTCP.  TCP has
> gotten pretty persistent that bad things may happen if one assumes that
> just doing ENDSBS is sufficient.  Really bad.
>
> Rob Berendt
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>
> From:   Jeff Crosby <jlcrosby@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To:     Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date:   11/01/2016 09:32 AM
> Subject:        Re: SAVE 21 and stay restricted
> Sent by:        "MIDRANGE-L" <midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>
>
> Because the recovery steps are different.  Neither I nor the tech has
> recovered a full system from a BRMS save (I've never had to recover ANY
> system by any means).  The tech company requested a SAVE 21 so that's what
> I'm going to give them.
>
> On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Steinmetz, Paul <PSteinmetz@xxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > Jeff,
> >
> > Just curious.
> >
> > Why are you doing a Save 21 if you have BRMS?
> > Why not do a similar process from BRMS?
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> > Jeff Crosby
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:22 AM
> > To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
> > Subject: Re: SAVE 21 and stay restricted
> >
> > We have BRMS as well.
> >
> > I did a RTVCLSRC on QMNSAVE.  There's no STRSBS in there.  And there's
> no
> > CHKTAP either, but I know a SAVE 21 does one.
> >
> > That CL program is not CL 101 methinks.  :)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Jim Oberholtzer <
> > midrangel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > The "21" save is really just a CLP  (QMNSAVE) that IBM wrote to back
> > > up the system.  So to stop the system from coming back up modify the
> > > program so the very last step does not start the controlling
> > > subsystem.
> > >
> > > Better yet, create a new start up program that only sends a message to
> > > the operator message queue that says "I ran!" and then stops.  That's
> > > the easiest.  When you're done set it back to normal.
> > >
> > > This is all assuming you do not have BRMS as well.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jim Oberholtzer
> > > Agile Technology Architects
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: MIDRANGE-L [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> > > Jeff Crosby
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 7:54 AM
> > > To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
> > > Subject: SAVE 21 and stay restricted
> > >
> > > IBM i 7.1, up to date on PTFs.
> > >
> > > Saturday I will be doing a SAVE 21 prior to a cache battery replace.
> > > The SAVE 21 will be attended because I'm using a library device.
> > >
> > > When finished with the SAVE 21, I would like the system to stay in
> > > restricted state.  The tech is going to fail the cache battery at that
> > > point and we'll issue a PWRDWNSYS.  It seems like a waste to start the
> > > controlling subsystem only to immediately shut it down again.
> > >
> > > I found this http://www.itjungle.com/fhg/fhg051612-story03.html but
> > > it's from 4 years ago and seems overkill for a one-off.
> > >
> > > Question:  Because it's attended, when the command comes up at the end
> > > to start the controlling subsystem, what happens if I hit F12?  Or F3?
> > > Will that work and leave it restricted?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > Jeff Crosby
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