Re: AW: End of the road for 7.1?

I could not agree more with Rob last comment
As to the customers who need duplicate work due to the fact that they are
running older releases of the OS ... they should be charged MUCH higher
maintenance fees and for any custom changes to the ISVs product to cover
any duplicate work and higher support costs
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On Apr 8, 2016, at 01:13, Birgitta Hauser <Hauser@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> I don't understand how ISVs don't support a newer release.
> It is sometimes really hard if you are an ISV.
> I'm working for a small software house and we have to serve a lot of
> customers who are still! On V5R4 releases.
>
> Last Summer (2015) we finally! decided (after long discussions) to only
> support release 7.1 and higher.
> And with this decision we also decided write everything in RPG free
format
> (including free H, D, P specs) and exploit the enormous enhancements in
SQL
> (in 7.1 up to 2 TRs back) .
> Don't ask how often we/I have to write 2 versions of a program and how
> often we have to reinvent the wheel because there is any customer who
wants
> to have any enhancement for an older release.
> And don't ask how often I have to justify this duplicate work (i.e. "Why
you
> had to write it in full FREE format, why did you use new SQL functions
> etc.")
> I think we may be the exception in doing duplicate work!
> Duplicate work is "wasted" money and who pays for it?
> And for small software houses every customer counts!
>
> It seems sometimes to be a doom loop: Software houses cannot upgrade,
> because there are some customers still having old releases that have to
be
> supported. Customers cannot upgrade because the software vendors do not
> support the newer releases.
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards
>
> Birgitta Hauser
>
> "Shoot for the moon, even if you miss, you'll land among the stars."
(Les
> Brown)
> "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." (Derek Bok)
> "What is worse than training your staff and losing them? Not training
them
> and keeping them!"
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: MIDRANGE-L [[1]mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag
von
> Bradley Stone
> Gesendet: Thursday, 07.4 2016 21:39
> An: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
> Betreff: Re: End of the road for 7.1?
>
> I don't understand how ISVs don't support a newer release.
>
> It's super simple (well, once you find the "new" website) to set up a
free
> hosted partition using Virtual Loaner at any OS level with IBM.
>
> Too many dependencies on "ported" products maybe? Most "native" stuff
like
> C, RPG, even Java don't seem to have issues with newer releases unless
it's
> a bug.
>
> Brad
> www.bvstools.com
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 2:09 PM, Steinmetz, Paul <PSteinmetz@xxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> I just asked my manager for an update on our major 3rd party product,
>> if they are certified on V7R2.
>> We asked originally 2/4/15, still testing.
>> Now we got an answer back they don't have the hardware/resources for a
>> V7R2 LPAR.
>> So in other words, they haven't even started their V7R2 upgrade to
>> certify their product.
>> Not sure if I should mention their product, (probably did on some
>> other
>> threads) , but someone needs to give them a KIA.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: MIDRANGE-L [[2]mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of
>> DrFranken
>> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 1:56 PM
>> To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
>> Subject: Re: End of the road for 7.1?
>>
>> Clearly the ISVs should support 7.2 some still don't (boneheads!)
>> However many MANY won't be supporting i 7.3, er iNext, quite yet so
>> that would mean only i 7.2 for many customers if i 7.1 isn't available
at
> least as a guest.
>>
>> I honestly wouldn't expect that TR11 has 8+ support. Given testing
>> cycles that would have to mean POWER8+ is in the can for months
already.
>>
>> - Larry "DrFranken" Bolhuis
>>
>> www.Frankeni.com
>> www.iDevCloud.com - Personal Development IBM i timeshare service.
>> www.iInTheCloud.com - Commercial IBM i Cloud Hosting.
>>
>>> On 4/7/2016 11:08 AM, Rob Berendt wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>> Given that i 7.3, um I mean iNext, has not been announced yet it's
>>> not very reasonable for IBM to have only one widely supported
>>> release available for it's newest generation of hardware. Clearly
>>> iNext won't be supported by all ISVs yet (though it SHOULD BE) and
>>> it should be pretty close to iNext announce for POWER8+ </snip>
>>>
>>> If they announce iNext first, or same time, then there will be two
>>> versions supported for Power 8+ And, if it's really that close, then
>>> it is possible that TR11 of 7.1 has Power 8+ support.
>>>
[3]http://www-912.ibm.com/s_dir/sline003.nsf/554c38c4848b77f2862567bd00
>>> 46 e003/85fc5e8ebc0523048625779900742abc?OpenDocument
>>>
>>> And, while many ISV's can only be dragged kicking and screaming to
>>> go to a new release, 7.2 has been out long enough that they should
>>> support
>> that.
>>>
>>> If you think IBM plays software releases close to their chest that's
>>> nothing compared to hardware. The last thing they want is someone
>>> not buying new hardware this quarter on the belief that something
>>> new is imminent.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob Berendt
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