Re: cost estimate for a GUI pilot

Last year in the Netherlands at the iBelieve event, I made a joke that EGL was not ever used. Later, I was taken aside by an irate business partner. From what I can tell, there is ONE business partner in Europe who is achieving success with some EGL applications. No one else has been willing to stand up and talk about their success with EGL. Most other people who have talked with me about EGL consider it to be thrown in the “sounded like a good idea but was too much effort” bucket. It simply appears that EGL is not happening in the community at large.

Trevor

On Nov 3, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Aaron Bartell <aaronbartell@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Also, have you looked at EGL?

Does anybody know whether EGL is progressing?

I've put EGL in the category of "very cool technology that doesn't have a
community to back it".

Another way to look at it: How much do you hear IBM recommending EGL as a
viable modernization option?


Aaron Bartell

On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Alan Campin <alan0307d@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

As far as Spring is concerned, yes it does have a UI, it is called MVC.
Spring also owns a product called Grail which is written in a scripting
language called Groovy which run the Java Virtual Machine. Basically a Java
version of Rails.

The problem I have with Spring and Java and building an application from
scratch is the time and the cost. We built on application and it took us
two years and 2 million dollars on for one application.

Also, have you looked at EGL?

There is an open source version and a paid version supported by IBM. It was
designed originally to provide a web based UI and to be able to call back
end code written in RPG or COBOL which brings me back to using ILE/RPG on
the back end. Build a GUI in EGL and call ILE/RPG service programs through
an interface which provide the business logic.

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rational/products/egl/egldoc.html

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/downloads/r/eglcommunity/

All this assumes you are planning on new development.


On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Nathan Andelin <nandelin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I have appreciated the discussion so far. My company has been deploying
browser user interfaces exclusively since the year 2000, interfacing with
RPG back-end servers. We have deployed hundreds of new applications and

GUI

/ PDF reports since then. Virtually none of our software uses display
files.

It is hard to make suggestions about GUI tools without knowing what you
want to do with them, and what you might want the tools to do for you.

Suggesting Profound UI and ASNA Wings implies that you may want to reuse
your existing 5250 logic and workflow, and follow the traditional display
file paradigm. Is that a high priority?

Or, are you more interested in providing the most compelling and

productive

user experience possible, taking full advantage of browser capabilities?

Is it more important to cater to your existing RPG skill sets? Or, would
you be more interested in extending your skill sets to include HTML, CSS,
JavaScript - again with the primary goal of providing the most productive
and compelling end-user experience possible?

Are you more interested in facilitating your current skill sets and

current

RPG team members? Or would you be interested in bringing in new people

who

have GUI design experience primarily with browser technologies, and
teaching them RPG?

Are you more interested in doing a make-over of existing screens? Or,

would

you be more interested in restructuring your application architecture to
become more agile and better able to accommodate change?

Are you interested in broadly-scoped application development? Or do you
just have a small project in mind?

Nathan.
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