OK maybe people have thin-skin this week because of the labor day holiday. Or maybe antiquated is the wrong word. I will substitute that word for "a major design element that all competitive OS's improved upon in the 1970's except for OS400". (Maybe the 1960s)
Suggesting a low-level developer switch to UNIX or another OS is not productive is it? Or even a CIO? Our bed was made, now we have to lie in it good or bad.
People are throwing back at me that other databases are single-level.
The issue is NOT limited to databases. There are programs, commands, software packages, files, screens, reports, a hundred other types of entities spinning around on disk that are outside of the database.
Think of your PC. How many subdirectories and subfolders are on it? 1000? 10,000? And how many levels? 20? 100?
What if someone told you that you have to shrink it down to one parent-child relation?
I think that we work with a single level of libraries and it is just the way it is and we accept that. But it is very expensive to our organizations, and leads to very complicated and messy systems IMHO.
Yes the IFS is multi-level. Is it really an option to close down our library system and exclusively use the IFS? Probably not if there is any vendor-supplied s/w on the system.
-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of TheBorg
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 6:00 PM
To: midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: separate DEV, TEST, & PROD environments survey
Joel -
Hardly an attack...
/I/ did not write "I fail to see how having only 1 level of libraries
matter". That was Charles Wilt - try keeping up with the thread.
Perhaps /you/ are working on an "antiquated" iSeries or AS/400, but I work
on a brand-new modern IBM Power system which is running IBM i 7.1.
If you must have an operating system with a multi-level file system, I
suggest you consider the Unix, Linux, or the highly dependable Microsoft
Windows operating system.
;-)
I'm still not attacking you, by the way...
-sjl
"Stone, Joel" wrote in message
news:mailman.7101.1378331458.9013.midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx...
I am not slamming anything or anyone - just asking a question.
How can stating facts be taken as slamming?
You asked a question "I fail to see how having only 1 level of libraries
matter. "
And I tried to answer it.
If my response is incorrect, please state what is incorrect instead of
attacking me.
-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of TheBorg
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 4:45 PM
To: midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: separate DEV, TEST, & PROD environments survey
Joel -
Perhaps you need to better understand how naming conventions work, instead
of slamming the best and most secure machine and operating system ever
created...
You are not going to make any friend or get much assistance here with your
attitude.
-sjl
"Stone, Joel" wrote in message
news:mailman.7098.1378330960.9013.midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx...
"I fail to see how having only 1 level of libraries matter. "
One level of hierarchy seems antiquated in that all other OS's allow many
levels.
For example, any other OS could have the following folders:
PROD env
-----
JDE 9.0 containing program lib + data lib + config lib etc
JDE 8.0 containing program lib + data lib + config lib etc
SAP 2.0 containing program lib + data lib + config lib etc
Lawson 3.0 containing program lib + data lib + config lib etc
TEST env
------
Ditto above
DEV env
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Ditto above
It doesn't seem possible to do this on iseries as a library cannot have a
hierarchal group above or below, only one level is allowed. So people use
multiple LPARs or boxes to get around this constraint that doesn't exist on
other OS's.
-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Charles Wilt
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 4:05 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: separate DEV, TEST, & PROD environments survey
I've worked in all three types...just depends on the size of the company.
I fail to see how having only 1 level of libraries matter. For that
matter, every single RDBMS I'm familiar with only allows a single level of
schemas.
Once the shop gets big enough, separate LPARs or boxes is probably most
common.
Charles
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Stone, Joel <Joel.Stone@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
What constitutes separate DEV, TEST, & PROD environments at your
organization?
Must they exist on separate LPARS? Separate boxes?
Or can they all exist on one LPAR with adequate border fences?
Would it be practical to exist on one LPAR and still comply with SOX and
GAAP and a typical big auditing company's security audit?
Or is that not possible in the Iseries world with the antiquated only one
level of libraries and such?
Thanks in advance!
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