Re: System 36 and Machine 36

[CRPence <CRPbottle@xxxxxxxxx>]

On 01 Feb 2013 10:29, rob@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> OK, I am thinking if your old box has TCP/IP then it is NOT M36 but
> it is OS/400 with the S/36 environment installed. Even the first
> AS/400's didn't have TCP/IP. Can the box do any os/400 commands at
> all? Well, duh, Rob, of course it does. If he can save it to save
> files it must be S/36 environment and not M36.

  TCP/IP has been around since long before the OS/400 V4R3 that the OP 
notes is installed, running a *M36.  The above quoted reply seems to 
muddle the difference between the actual system models that were 
effectively the S/36 running on a RISC system and the *M36.  The system 
model was almost indistinguishable from an AS/400 IIRC, and was called 
the "Advanced 36".  The Machine-36 hosted partitions\systems were 
running instead, on a RISC AS/400 with OS/400; there could be multiple 
*M36 objects on one AS/400.  A system running its S/36 applications 
running in a "machine 36" object [see CRTM36 CL command] need not ever 
have installed the S/36E feature to do that, because the applications 
could all be running in those hosted "machines".

  The first two lines of Jim Franz's reply earlier in the thread 
suggests that the *M36 is "like the Advanced 36-236 or 436", but that it 
is "hosted on a OS400"; albeit the text was rearranged from how I quoted 
it here, so that may be confusing to those who are not aware of both as 
being distinct entities:
http://archive.midrange.com/midrange-l/201302/msg00002.html
"M36 is a true look a like of a System 36, hosted on a OS400 - like the 
Advanced 36-236 or 436
..."

  I believe the *M36 also implemented virtual communication between 
that system partition to the OS/400 so data could be sent betwixt; and 
for all I know, there may have even been a FTP client made available to 
the Advanced 36 and thus to the *M36 which was effectively that OS [SSP 
on RISC].

  Anyhow the old TCP/IP for OS/400 was written in PASCAL, but it did 
exist, as the following IBM i 7.1 doc suggests the TCP/IP utilities were 
available since before v3r1m0:
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/iseries/v7r1m0/topic/cl/cvttcpcl.htm
Convert TCP/IP CL Source (CVTTCPCL)
"The Convert TCP/IP CL Source (CVTTCPCL) command is used to convert 
TCP/IP commands from releases prior to Version 3 Release 1 Modification 
0 (V3R1M0) to the command syntax for the current release. The pre-V3R1M0 
TCP/IP CL commands to be converted must exist in a source physical file.
 ..."