Re: vim on POWER specifically IBM i

Jack, and all the rest of us!!

As to that developer tool PRPQ - I just heard that there is an IBM i Zone at developerworks - finally!! Very cool, I hope. There are lots of links there, Including a download page that includes a link to the 5799-PTL tool set, known as /IBM i Tools for Developers/.

Here's some info from my "source", describing the Zone:

*New to IBM i*-- Steve Will, IBM i Chief Architect, has written an excellent piece explaining the virtues and value proposition of the IBM i environment. The article contains the history of IBM i, key facts about the integration of the operating system, and the 3 s's, simplicity, stability and security of the "i" architecture.

*Downloads and tools*- info on many of the tools you can download in solutions areas such as /IBM Journal Planning and Performance Analysis Tools, Open Source RPG User Interface, IBM i Tools for Developers, IBM iDoctor for IBM i Performance Tools Suite /and much more.

*Technical Library*- new articles on a variety of topics that we will be adding to regularly. Check out the dW subscribe capability to see updates real-time via an RSS feed.

*Technology Updates *- centralized location for communicating IBM i software enhancements made to in-service operating system releases

*Communities and Forums*- join the IBM i conversation through the numerous forums you can monitor and participate in including DB2, Backup and Recovery, Hardware Management Console (HMC), RPG, Logical Partitioning and others. There are also a variety of blogs from the IBM i community, along with many wikis on a variety of topics, including the Power Systems User Group wiki.

*Services*- another centralized location for many areas of IBM i services

*Events*- IBM i related educational events that are happening throughout the Power Systems Community

To get to the new IBM i zone directly go to http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/ibmior from the main home page, http://www.ibm.com/developerworksclick on Technical Topics at the top and click on the IBM i link.

On 4/14/2011 6:58 AM, Jack Kingsley wrote:

Vern, I really wasn't quite sure on what he was exactly looking to do. I
didn't know if he was using shared drives or ?? I am going to look into
this QPTL as well, thanks for this information.

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 1:45 AM, Vern Hamberg<vhamberg@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Jim

If you were to get the developer tools - QAPTL is the library - you
could use emacs - I think the product or PRPQ code is 5733-PTL - can be
downloaded, as I recall.. Lots of interesting stuff in there, some based
on the ATK stuff IBM has, so far as I can tell. There's even a VNC server.

I have to ask Jack, where else are you going to put RPMs than in the
IFS? You can't put them into libraries on i, right? Or have I completely
misunderstood your question?

We use some AIX binaries in our products - they were available out of
Los Angeles, I believe, somewhere. I just looked with google and find a
site - www.bullfreeware.com - seems I remember some discussion in these
forum of issues with the binaries there.

Vern

On 4/13/2011 8:43 AM, Jim Oberholtzer wrote:

Jack,

Benefits of some of them are there is no native IBM i way (or easy way)
to do some of the things you can do. For instance, if all you have is
an SSH or TELNET connection to the box, it is really hard to edit files
in the IFS. The native IFS editor just plain sucks wind. VIM on the
other hand, is an excellent editor. Furthermore anyone with a Unix
background is likely to be able to use it without much in the way of

help.

Other examples are zip, cvs, Perl etc. These are tools Unix folks use
on a regular basis (I'm in VIM at least once a day) and if they are
available on the IBM i , it makes that platform more attractive to the
Unix crowd.

Just in working with the MySQL installation on one of the COMMON Lab
boxes has been made easy with VIM, hard with IBM i native stuff.....
Need to do a fast tweek to a PHP script, VIM is the way to do it if you
don't have Zend Studio loaded up, and connected.

Certainly the list of available RPMs ( I found a neat list here:
http://www.perzl.org/aix/ ) has many items that are not worth the work
(bash for instance) but there are some real gems in there too.

Jim Oberholtzer
Chief Technical Architect
Agile Technology Architects


On 4/13/2011 8:08 AM, Jack Kingsley wrote:

Sorry, will not be able to go, I am trying to understand the benefits of
having the RPM's in the IFS??

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Jim Oberholtzer<midrangel@xxxxxxxxxx

wrote:

I'm not an expert at RPM in any way, but if you follow the

instructions

given by Brian at the Yips site (hosted by idevcloud.com ) it

seems to

work the same way as the Linux one does, at least in my CentOS

version.

I had VIM up and running on one of the COMMON lab machines in no

more

than 10 minutes including downloads.

If your going to COMMON Annual Meeting, I'll be at ask the experts

near

the Yips table to discuss my findings. Brian's the expert, but I

gained

some insight into the process while doing it.

(BTW: Early bird discount for COMMON MSP has been extended a few

days!)

Jim Oberholtzer
Chief Technical Architect
Agile Technology Architects


On 4/13/2011 7:19 AM, Jack Kingsley wrote:

> Jim, is this the same RPM as in linux??
>
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Jim Oberholtzer<

midrangel@xxxxxxxxxx

>wrote:
>

>> > Presumably they would wind up in the IFS yes.
>> >
>> > I'll have a look at the link below...
>> >
>> > Jim Oberholtzer
>> > Chief Technical Architect
>> > Agile Technology Architects
>> >
>> >
>> > On 4/12/2011 12:58 PM, Jack Kingsley wrote:

>>> > > Jim, you want these in the IFS then??
>>> > >
>>> > > On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 9:38 AM,<

BMay@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>>> > >

>>>>> > >> > Jim,
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > Look at the instructions on the

YiPs wiki:

>>>>> > >> >

http://www.youngiprofessionals.com/wiki/PASE/OpenSourceBinaries

>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > Once you get the RPM scripts set up

and install the

Package Manager,

>> > you

>>>>> > >> > will find the vim-common,

vim-enhanced, vim-minimal, and

vim-X11

>> > binaries

>>>>> > >> > in the GetXedit group under

editors.

>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > HTH,
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > Brian May
>>>>> > >> > Project Lead
>>>>> > >> > Management Information Systems
>>>>> > >> > Garan, Incorporated
>>>>> > >> > Starkville, Mississippi
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > Jim Oberholtzer<

midrangel@xxxxxxxxxx>

>>>>> > >> >

Sentby:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx

>>>>> > >> > 04/12/2011 07:52 AM

>>>>> > >> > Please respond to
>>>>> > >> > Midrange Systems Technical

Discussion<

midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > To
>>>>> > >> > Midrange Systems Technical

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>>>>> > >> > cc
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > Subject
>>>>> > >> > vim on POWER specifically IBM i
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > Folks:
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > I have been searching for a binary

install so I can run

vim editor

>> > from

>>>>> > >> > an ssh session (putty) on IBM i.

Upon searching the

internet there

>> > are

>>>>> > >> > lots of hits for AIX but I have yet

to find a place where

PASE

>>>>> > >> > compatible binaries are found.
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > Any ideas?
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > (on a quest to get real unix

bitheads to like the IBM i

platform.....

>>>>> > >> > this seems to be one of the biggest

roadblocks)

>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > --
>>>>> > >> > Jim Oberholtzer
>>>>> > >> > Chief Technical Architect
>>>>> > >> > Agile Technology Architects
>>>>> > >> >

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