RE: drinking the koolaid WAS: Latest EGL Features

Trevor,
Is there a less public place you can grind this axe? There must be a more productive way you can find to disagree with Joe. It sounds to me like he is a fan of a tool that you are not, do the rest of us really need to know the historical peeves and offenses?

Thanks,

Josh

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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Trevor Perry
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 7:24 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: drinking the koolaid WAS: Latest EGL Features


Don,

I have seen the Joe Pluta version of the EGL ("extraordinary tool") koolaid
in person. I have read over and over the EGL koolaid that Joe Pluta "sells"
on midrange-L. None of it makes me want to use EGL.

On top of that, Joe Pluta SLAMMED me here for my support of SOA - many
times. He now embraces SOA (claiming EGL is SOA) - that being a complete
turnaround from his previous perspectives, without recognition that he has
changed his position, and without apology. On top of that, he embraces other
positions which he once lambasted as untenable. When I listen to a speaker
talk on a subject, I want passion, but I don't want someone who has strongly
represented a different side of the argument previously, without
explanation.

I understand you are trying to embrace EGL at the DC users group, but having
a koolaid session does very little for the adoption of EGL. It certainly may
be an entertaining session! I could tell you what you need, but I am afraid
of Joe Pluta threatening to sue me.

Maybe the DC users Group should ALSO have a big picture version of
Modernization that is not sponsoring any particular flavor? I know someone
who does that..

Trevor


On 5/2/08 9:52 AM, "Don" <dr2@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

Trevor,

Sounds like you need to attend the one-day seminar that the DC users Group
is sponsoring this month:

http://www.wash-midrange.org/seminars/pluta0805.shtml

DR2

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-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Trevor Perry
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:10 PM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: Latest EGL Features

Joe,

For the rest of us who struggle to find "free time", there is a different
requirement - and it is not programming web services all day long. Most of
us don't have the infrastructure required to use EGL the way that you can.
And, we don't have the connections with the IBMers who are pushing EGL hard
and furious. Your level of productivity is not possible for the people who
have maintenance and development to do in their job for the business that
works them hard.

I can create web services from RPG code, or connected to my DB2 database,
just as fast, if not faster, using a third party tool like the soarchitect
from looksoftware, and all I need is an IIS HTTP server. EGL is just another
flavor of the day.

There were numerous complaints when the topic on midrange-L was about naming
and branding. I state my complaint that midrange-L has now become the Joe
Pluta EGL kool-aid delivery mechanism.

If IBM can make it with EGL, you will look good. If not, you won't. Are you
prepared?

Trevor