Re: drinking the koolaid WAS: Latest EGL Features

Whenever somebody who writes articles/books/speaks at conferences decides to
put opinion into a public forum, the opinions need to be tested - myself,
Trevor and Joe included. If the opinions posted in public aren't tested and
challenged in public then people think it is gospel. The part that we all
get to be careful of is how far we allow it to digress which I am guessing
is your concern and why you posted.

If computing and "personal direction" history wasn't valuable to our current
technology concerns I would agree with you, but that just isn't the case.

Aaron Bartell
http://mowyourlawn.com

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Trevor Perry <trevor@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

No grinding here. Don asked. I answered.


On 5/2/08 1:07 PM, "Josh Diggs" <JDiggs@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Trevor,
Is there a less public place you can grind this axe? There must be a

more

productive way you can find to disagree with Joe. It sounds to me like

he is

a fan of a tool that you are not, do the rest of us really need to know

the

historical peeves and offenses?

Thanks,

Josh

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Trevor Perry
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 7:24 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: drinking the koolaid WAS: Latest EGL Features


Don,

I have seen the Joe Pluta version of the EGL ("extraordinary tool")

koolaid

in person. I have read over and over the EGL koolaid that Joe Pluta

"sells"

on midrange-L. None of it makes me want to use EGL.

On top of that, Joe Pluta SLAMMED me here for my support of SOA - many
times. He now embraces SOA (claiming EGL is SOA) - that being a complete
turnaround from his previous perspectives, without recognition that he

has

changed his position, and without apology. On top of that, he embraces

other

positions which he once lambasted as untenable. When I listen to a

speaker

talk on a subject, I want passion, but I don't want someone who has

strongly

represented a different side of the argument previously, without
explanation.

I understand you are trying to embrace EGL at the DC users group, but

having

a koolaid session does very little for the adoption of EGL. It certainly

may

be an entertaining session! I could tell you what you need, but I am

afraid

of Joe Pluta threatening to sue me.

Maybe the DC users Group should ALSO have a big picture version of
Modernization that is not sponsoring any particular flavor? I know

someone

who does that..

Trevor


On 5/2/08 9:52 AM, "Don" <dr2@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

Trevor,

Sounds like you need to attend the one-day seminar that the DC users

Group

is sponsoring this month:

http://www.wash-midrange.org/seminars/pluta0805.shtml

DR2

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