<< I have never seen anything this good on the AS/400, iSeries, or i5.>>

Have you ever used SEQUEL in a production environment?

Paul Nelson
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-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pete Massiello
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 11:19 AM
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: Why buy 5733-Qu2 (Was: 5733QU2 - No Developer Discount)


Everyone does get a few licenses of 5733-QU2 for free if they have
QU1 and Software Maintenance (SWMA). Its 2 for a P05, and 6 for a P10, etc.

What you have to pay for is other optional components, to increase
and improve the product. If you were to use the free stuff, you would be
amazed. It is great. Yes, the developer workbench is well worth the cost
for a company, and so are the other 2 optional components, but IBM is doing
this right. Get the OLAP plugin for cheaper then cheap, and you will blow
your users right out of the building. Right out of the building with their
shoes on and their socks laying on the front lawn besides them. IBM is
giving you the free licenses of just web query away to try things out. You
do not need the optional components, the free stuff is good. But on a P10
for 2400 you can get the optional components.

Quite honestly, I think IBM screwed up. When it comes to the
additional licenses, come on $400 for a P10 user, They should be charging
more for what you get with web query product. For all that this does, I
think they could have doubled the price. People need to see this, people
need to order the free stuff, get it working and show it to your management.
This is some cool stuff that people on this list need to install and get
working, then show it to people in their company and get them hooked. This
might be the best thing to ever hit the system i.

To everyone on this list, If you have QU1, you are on V5R4,
and you have SWMA. Then tomorrow morning call your Business Partner, or IBM
(Whoever you deal with), and say I want 5733-QU2. Just the free stuff. Get
it installed, and see how it works. See how existing queries even run
better. I bet our resident SQL expert Elvis can tell us how much better the
SQE engine is over the CQE engine, and guess which one QU2 uses, and guess
which one QU1 uses.

You can tell I am excited about this, as I have played with it, and
it is definitely worth it. I have never seen anything this good on the
AS/400, iSeries, or i5.


-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joe Pluta
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 12:04 PM
To: 'Midrange Systems Technical Discussion'
Subject: RE: 5733QU2 - No Developer Discount

From: albartell

From the sounds of it you can't install the product, period, without
purchasing. That is probably the dumbest idea for trying to sell software
that I have heard of. How are you going to hook people if they don't even
know what they are missing? IBM needs to head on over the Sam's Club and
see how they get people to buy new product - they let you eat samples!!
Sure they eventually ask me to leave after 5 samples, but at that time I
know weather or not I like the product (and I can skip lunch that day ;-).

I keep telling IBM that the way you get System i shop to use tools is to
include them in the base. EGL is a perfect example: include the development
tools in the base and then charge extra either for runtime seats or extra
developer seats. The people who couldn't afford the product in the first
place wouldn't have bought it anyway so you lose nothing there, but you
greatly enhance your chances of getting additional sales.

I would go so far as to add a small increment to 5722WDS to go towards EGL
regardless. And that's what I'd do with 5722QU2: give everybody a limited
license and tack a small fee onto DB2 to pay for it.


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