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Re: Are you a newbie? Start here!

Alan,
Thank you for getting it. And I appreciate your support. This ~is~ the part Joe misses. The fact that together, as a community, we can make a difference. Connecting the community is best done loosely - remember how the tight connections of iSeriesNation have faded? Joe is also able to connect his work with iSociety - he has a lot to contribute. Given his past rants against other parts of our community, I do not expect him to take this lying down.
It is my opinion that those people who wish to sit back and demean the efforts of something that can make a huge difference in our future, are obviously not evangelists, but zealots. We may not convince ALL the zealots to become evangelists, but iSociety is our best chance to bring the community together.
And Joe, your unjustifiable personal vendetta against one website does not help bring the community together. 

Trevor
----- Original Message ----- From: "Cassidy, Alan" <CassidyA@xxxxxxxxxx> To: "Midrange Systems Technical Discussion rivendell.midrange.com" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:52 AM
Subject: RE: Are you a newbie? Start here!
Look, cut Trevor some slack, guys, and cut Common some slack, it's more than many of us have been doing! I don't know if you folks know what you potentially have here. And as to "__It's just a loose confederation of other web sites.__" .....Well, then, ...midrange-L is "just a loose confederation of" i-geeks, well! :)
It might take a slow start, but as mind-share grows --among us i-blessed :)--and as the guys doing the work at iSociety get good at it, this thing is going to snowball down the hill and look out below.. The ones that do the most might benefit the most, that's okay, it's supposed to work okay, but everybody who has a way to benefit can also get into the mix it looks like to me.
And even grunts like me have the benefit of getting to work another day and on a decent computing machine if we can help the market know about it.
One thing we can ALL do (if I understand this right) is to add our own stories. I've been a missionary and one thing we learn is that nobody can mess with your own personal story, what you've seen and done, and :) from what I've seen of other systems (and software installs), we can do the _world_ a _lot_ of good by taking IBM's own system and FORCING their own Windows-weenies and their marketing departments to sit up and take notice! Shame them into actually engaging helping! :-)
I saw a computer press article once where they guy expressed amazement at the reaction of i-guys to slurs against their machine! Hah! Same as the Oracle salesman I met at my daughter's wedding, awed at the stubborn tenacity of the JDE World users who refused to give up their systems for a chance at a Windows installation! Imagine that!
IBM has to be officially "ecumenical" about it :) but we don't! This can be the marketing coup that IBM should have pulled...
System i and its loyal fans have hundreds and even thousands of web pages spread all over the Internet, but now put them in one place, do the link-go-round (Web ring?) or whatnot, add your own stories. Eventually the buzz begins. 

--Alan


-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Joe Pluta
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:43 AM
Subject: RE: Are you a newbie? Start here!



From: albartell

THIS is the stuff that should be on the iSociety type pages.


I agree.  Trevor, you want input?  Here it is.  iSociety should provide a
ton of links to THIS information.  If you're going to have 12 or 17 or 21
links (or whatever) to System i Portal, you ought to have at LEAST as many
to IBM's information.
And don't say that System i Portal provides those links, because I can't get 
their IBM Docs search to work at all.

Joe

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