Re: Saving the System i: Fight Rather Than Switch

["Trevor Perry" <tperry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hey  - that "crud" is someone else's code. Would you like them calling your 
stuff "crud"?

Besides, the System i is the INTEGRATION server. And, if we can run their 
applications faster in PASE than they can run native on their server, why 
would we NOT bring it over here? IBM brought Notes over to PASE first, and 
it was way faster. Then they moved it to native. Why is that a bad thing?

And, isn't it a GOOD idea to run it on the i - then we CAN replace all the 
other "crud" servers?

So what if they call it "native" - it helps our world domination.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Neil Palmer" <neilpalmer400mr@xxxxxxxx>
To: "Midrange Systems Technical Discussion" <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: Saving the System i: Fight Rather Than Switch


> "- Crud being ported from other systems and stuffed into PASE and being
> labelled "native" when it is even less native than S/36 environment. "
>
> EXACTLY !!  Well said Rob.  Another thing I've been complaining about for 
> a while.
>
>
> Neil Palmer, Cambridge, Ontario, Canada
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "rob@xxxxxxxxx" <rob@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion <midrange-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 10:13:39 AM
> Subject: RE: Saving the System i: Fight Rather Than Switch
>
> I agree that the disk is terribly overpriced.  I have an urgent project to
> archive Domino email to a cluster of two Domino servers on Windows and
> Linux.  The i5 disk is getting way too expensive.  Especially when one of
> your Domino cluster boxes is a 270-DSD that has the maximum number of
> drives, and the largest drives, supported on it with the maximum expansion
> supported on it.
> What will happen to that 270 in the long term?  Well, since V5R4 is the
> last version supported on it and we won't be running anything as old as
> V5R4 a year after it's follow on is available it will be going out the
> door.
>
> Serious storage condition may exist. Press HELP.
> Serious storage condition may exist. Press HELP.
> Serious storage condition may exist. Press HELP.
> Serious storage condition may exist. Press HELP.
>
> When my boss starts migrating stuff off to less expensive hardware you
> better believe that's something.
>
> Reliability?  Kinda iffy on that.  Lots more problems lately.  Could be
> any number of things:
> - Getting the box to do more and more things increases complexity
> - Newbie dweeb programmers don't give a rip about quality
> - Crud being ported from other systems and stuffed into PASE and being
> labled "native" when it is even less native than S/36 environment.  We
> don't expect Linux or PC-XT to run CICS or i5 based RPG applications, why
> should we think that wedging it in is a good idea?  They rewrote Domino
> for the i5 and it kicks a$$.  If they had to do it over again they
> probably would have done it in PASE and it would suck swamp water.
>
> Support?  Just try getting support from IBM on why Linux running on a lpar
> on a 570, that uses an IBM SAN switch to communicate to an IBM tape drive
> reconfigs the tape drives after every IPL and you have to manually
> reconfig the buggers in TSM.  Have full maintenance on 570.  Have
> maintenance on SAN switch, have maintenance on 3582 (and you do NEED
> that).  Now IBM wants an additional $10,000 for SAN support.  Just for
> this simple set up!!!???
> Radar O'Reilly:  "I don't think what he said is physically possible."
> Hawkeye:  "You're right - he does have a lot to learn about anatomy."
>
>
> Rob Berendt
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