RE: Native was: Secure FTP Using SSH

Using your analogy, terminal-based connectivity, databases, queues,
partitions, and TCP/IP are also non-native to the iSeries.  They were
not born in i5/OS/400; they were implemented in other systems earlier.
Rochester merely adopted them to the platform (and in most cases made
improvements while doing so).

Which is why the value judgment or expectation mention is especially
valuable.  What is native?  In the end I'm not sure it matters, but I
still contend that PASE is not native while Qshell is.  Qshell supports
the porting of applications to the iSeries; PASE -- to me anyway -- is
an emulator/runtime environment and exists so the iSeries can run AIX
binaries.  No porting consideration is really given.

John A. Jones, CISSP
Americas Information Security Officer
Jones Lang LaSalle, Inc.
V: +1-630-455-2787 F: +1-312-601-1782
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From: midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darrell A Martin
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:52 AM
To: Midrange Systems Technical Discussion
Subject: Re: Native was: Secure FTP Using SSH

Hi, Jerry:

Your analogy is a good one, but doesn't lead to the conclusion you
suggest. We are natives of America if we are born in America. (That
matches both the etymology and the usage of the word.)  *nix utilities
were not "born" in i5/OS/400, so they are not "native".

That being said, I think the distinction is useful only in that it
serves as a warning that things may not work as expected. It is not --
necessarily -- a value judgement. One cannot say that a "native
American" 
(in any sense of the phrase) is any better than an immigrant, although a
rational person will have some expectations of one group that are not
necessarily true of the other. And that leads us right back to the
difference between "native" and "non-native" utilities in i5/OS/400.

Darrell
who is descended from
   pre-1650 English migrants to New England
   French Canadians
   Haudenosaunee (people of the longhouse, Iroquois)
   and others
   ALL of whom came from somewhere else

Darrell A. Martin  -  630-754-2187
Manager, Computer Operations
dmartin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

midrange-l-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 10/03/2006 12:09:13 PM:

Are we natives here in America if we are not blood related to the

Anasazi?

We work with the tools we have on the iSeries to solve the problems we

face.  I find QSH to be very useful as a facility to work with the

IFS.

Jerry

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