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Nah... just a question of logistics - thank goodness that we're outside of
SOX concerns (although auditors seem to treating everyone worse because of
SOX, anyway...) The 800 is our production WAS/Domino box and to get it to
V5R4 would (normally) require doing the backup WAS/Domino 520 box first,
and that box is also the Mimix'ed backup to our 520 production DB2 apps, so
it would trigger that upgrade to V5R4 also. It just depends how big of a
snowball we want to start pushing on...
The few months timeframe has to do with when the 800's lease is up.
We may have a good need for the V5R4 virtual tape features, but that's the
only real interest in V5R4 at this point. The impact of the 2 additional
upgrades and program testing and such won't be a good fit along with some
other projects that are ratcheting up in the near future. We'll be
upgrading/replacing the current 520s mentioned above the following year, so
V5R4 will probably fit better then.
I've always been able to avoid a manual install, so i'll have to get
familiar with it again if we think we're going to do the V5R3M5 install on
the new box. We're very early in the planning stages...
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The newer 520's require 535 or 540. The older 520's will work on 530 and
above. Basically you go through the same steps to go to 535 that you go
to 540 - IPL either from CD or image catalog to replace your lic. But
you'd probably use "Manual" installation instead of "Automatic"
installation. That way you stop after the LIC. There is no 535 for SS1,
etc. Then you apply the latest cume, group's, etc just like you'd do with
540.
You said "in a few months...". So assuming that's enough time to shake
out a few more bugs from 540, (if that's your big concern), why wouldn't
you go to 540? Is there some weird SOX thing that says you have to have
the Pope bless a new version of OS prior to using it (but lic doesn't
count)? Is there something in the "Memo to Users" or at the planning site
at
http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/support/iseries/planning/upgrade/index.html
that has you concerned about 540?
I'm still turning in service requests on 530 and I'd bet that if I still
had a machine running 520 I'd be turning service requests on that also, so
it's not like waiting 2 years makes those infallible.
And, here's the part most germane to this thread: More times than not,
any new service request was fixed by downloading a ptf that was already
created for someone else. Very, very few of any service requests I've
submitted have had to do because of a bad ptf.
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Best practices are a wonderful thing from a tech perspective, but from a
management perspective instead it might look like:
So what problem were we fixing by adding these? None? But they caused us
a problem? I don't understand... ;) Luckily, I probably wouldn't hear
that at this job.
I'm still not sure sometimes which path is better. One part of the
problem
is that at times there are too many other irons in the fire (i.e. Windows,
Network, etc.) to be more proactive
and responsive to loading recent PTFs. By the time the project load
clears
up 3-6 months later and everything is still running A-OK on the iSeries
side, it's somewhat
hard to justify knocking a piece of the puzzle out of place while trying
to
stay completely current with PTFs.
With that being said, what i'm working on right now is doing just that...
trying to get our 3 boxes more current and matched up PTF-wise... we're
looking at moving our 800 to a 520 in a few months. I'm not sure yet if
we'll stick with V5R3 on the new box or look at V5R4. If we stay at V5R3
on the new 520+, is it necessary to go to V5R3M5? If so, what's involved
with doing so?
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I tend to agree with you Scott. Their counter argument is "if they can
run for a month or so without any problems, why couldn't they run for all
perpetuity without any problems. Wouldn't the ptf's then potentially
introduce new problems?"
Granted, a new MCH#### error after a ptf install is not a happy day. But
there is the potential that you are experiencing problems, and may not be
aware of it. Like some of the "Integrity Problem" ptf's. Or, let's say a
ptf that will help you actually recover if you have a disk failure, but
failure to have this ptf, prior to the recovery, may be catastrophic. Or
the ptf's that will better handle temporary space.
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Why wouldn't you just apply these PTFs for your installed products?
I understand that out of the 1000's of PTFs released in the last 10
years or so there have been at least two that have had undesirable
effects, but do you really want to wait until a problem occurs and then
spend valuable time trying to determine what the problem actually is
before installing PTFs or would you rather be ahead of the game and
solve these problems proactively?
In my mind there is nothing worse than having to do two IPLs to get up
to snuff on PTFs before support will even help diagnose a problem.
Regards,
Scott Ingvaldson
iSeries System Administrator
GuideOne Insurance Group
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I've got a number of PTFs in 'On order only' status for various LICPGMs
on
my systems. For the most part, these came from Service Director
automatic
PTF orders that resulted in shipments on CD media and I have no
intention
of loading these unless a specific need comes up. I periodically review
and load the PTFs that Service Director pulls down automatically in
electronic format, but these CDs are packed with them and I have no
desire
to review/load them unless a specific need arises. The volume is just
too
great...
Are there any benefits/drawbacks to leaving them in that state or
cleaning
them up? I'd like to clean them up (with DLTPTF i'm guessing, haven't
tried yet), but i'm wondering if there's a good reason to keep them in
that
state?
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