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Chuck,

You wrote: If they require me to use something new
then I shouldn't have to learn an entirely new
environment.
Did I read that correctly - If you get something new,
you should not have to learn it.
You also wrote: If the HMC were optional, which it
wasn't when I purchased my i5, then I wouldn't care. 
The HMC IS optional, you have the option of getting an
8xx system, which would have avoided the 520 and HMC.

You wrote: Anyone allowed to use my old twinax console
is allowed to use the HMC.  
The important word here being "allowed".  How did you
decide who was allowed to use the twinax console -
with a password.  Same thing for the HMC - those
people who are allowed to use it have a password.

Your point about a "colleague's computer" I think is a
bit of a stretch.  I could make arguments about not
letting "colleagues" or "friends and neighbors" PC's
have access to the corporate network, (that is how
viruses spread), or about 56K dial up lines.  However,
in the interest of brevity, the install of updates on
the HMC from a remote location can be performed
through WebSM using the Install Corrective Service
option. The HMC can be re-booted remotely by running
the hmcshutdown -t {now |
number-of-minutes}[-r][--help] command.

You wrote: In fact, I reboot my PC about once or twice
a month. Less frequently than we IPL our iSeries. What
are you doing over there that causes such an unstable
 desktop?

Blue screens and lockups are certainly less than what
they were a few years ago, but slow downs and viruses
are very much part of todays problems that need to be
controlled and managed.  So you re-boot your PC once
or twice a month, which is less frequent than you IPL
your iSeries.  What are YOU doing that causes such an
unstable iSeries?

Finally, you wrote:  Automate.  I want a user to run a
command or press a button and have resources moved
from one machine to another.  I understand I can do
that with a $4,000+ third party tool, though.

I agree, why spend $4,000+ on ARPM or some other tool
to move resources when it can be done automatically
using built in function.  But why rely on the
user/operator to press a button or run a command -
schedule the operation and let the HMC do it.  It
remembers to do it at the correct time, moving the
correct amount of resource and does it between the
correct partitions.

I think Mr. Justin Haase has the right attitude -
whether we like it or not, the HMC is here and
probably here to stay.  The iSeries community would be
better served by providing constructive feedback to
IBM rather than just bad-mouthing it and saying it
doesn't work like Windows.

Regards

Pat


--- Chuck Ackerman <CAckerman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Patricia said: "Why would the developers look at an
> iSeries or
> Windows?  The HMC was initially developed for the
> pSeries.  It was only used for iSeries when the p
> and
> i hardware was merged."
> 
> I don't really care where it came from.  I'm an
> iSeries and Windows user
> as are 90% of the iSeries installations.  If they
> require me to use
> something new then I shouldn't have to learn an
> entirely new
> environment. If the HMC were optional, which it
> wasn't when I purchased
> my i5, then I wouldn't care.  I just wouldn't have
> ordered it.
> 
> Patricia said: "Yes - Another password - it keeps
> unauthorized
> personnel out.  Better still, it restricts the
> un-trained personnel from doing thing that they
> don't
> know how to or should not be doing."
> 
> Anyone allowed to use my old twinax console is
> allowed to use the HMC.
> I expect that's the case in most shops.  
> 
> Patricia said: "You can control the HMC from
> anywhere in the
> world, certainly anywhere you can reach the network
> from. "
> 
> That's news to me.  The only thing I can do from
> Web-SM is run an
> instance that's similar to the one on the console. 
> And, it's a 95mb
> download.  If I'm on a trip using a colleague's
> computer connected via a
> 56k line that'd be a heck of a long connection. 
> Yet, I know my
> colleague's computer has Window's Remote Desktop
> installed and I could
> have controlled my old console with very snappy
> response time over 56k.
> 
> And, AFAIK, I can't control the HMC remotely.  By
> control it I mean
> install updates, reboot the HMC, etc.  If you know
> of a way of doing
> this, please share!
> 
> 
> Patricia said: "Use a DNS server or host table -
> then you just need
> to remember a name."
> 
> Point taken.  I will do this.
> 
> Patricia said: "I timed mine - 8 seconds.  You may
> have network
> issues if it takes 30."
> 
> I think we have HMC issues.  It's darn slow when I'm
> standing in front
> of it.
> 
> Patricia said: "I say good job it is NOT like
> Windows."
> 
> To each their own.  My operations staff only knows
> Windows.  Now I have
> to waste precious resources training them in
> something new that's
> non-intuitive.
> 
> Patricia said: "If IBM had made it like Windows, you
> would have had to
> put up with all the Windows features, like blue
> screens, lock-ups,
> slow-downs, viruses, etc."
> 
> Really?  Do you get regular blue screens and
> lockups?  That's very
> strange because I have tons of apps on my desktop
> and haven't received a
> blue screen or lockup in years.  In fact, I reboot
> my PC about once or
> twice a month. Less frequently than we IPL our
> iSeries. What are you
> doing over there that causes such an unstable
> desktop?
> 
> Patricia asked: "Do you mean automate or schedule?"
> 
> Automate.  I want a user to run a command or press a
> button and have
> resources moved from one machine to another.  I
> understand I can do that
> with a $4,000+ third party tool, though.  Great
> value, HMC!
> 
> 
> Chuck
> Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my
> employer.
> 
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Patricia Garrity
Garrity Systems, Inc


                
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