RE: how we will program in the future

Good question.  I suspect it's both.  Listen, new software has to come to 
the iSeries.  The fastest way to do that is to port applications.  Some of 
these are immensely popular on the iSeries, like Domino.  Some of these 
concepts have been on the iSeries for a long time and unless you just 
stumbled out of "The Clan of the Cave Bear" you've used them for years - 
like TCP/IP.  But even if you have no intention of ever leaving the cave, 
I can still remember a PTF that required a vary off/on of our twinaxial 
workstation controller.  A big yawn now, with zero user impact.  But back 
then it sure wasn't.

IBM does try in Quality.  They do some pretty extreme testing.  They 
invite several companies up to Rochester to test out new releases for a 
week each prior to it even it going out on beta.  Then it goes out to 
group of beta customers for a couple of months.  Have you ever heard 
Dianne Miller speak at COMMON about Early Programs?  Granted, ptf's are 
done differently.  But they do run them through a series of regression 
tests.

However, IBM, like the rest of us, is prone to business pressures.  Just 
today I will be downloading a "test" ptf for V5R2.  I want a situation 
resolved and I am willing to take this risk.  (Hence one of the reasons I 
NEVER do a APYPTF of all products *PERM.  Test ptf's may have to be 
removed, redownload, and reapplied.  Perm means a reinstall or a box of 
candy to get them to gen a second ptf.)

And sometimes the difference between test and production even gets to IBM.

Rob Berendt
-- 
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Jesus Christ
(thud) "Ma, cut that out.  How am I supposed to get anything done when you 
butt in?"





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Rob,

Do you ascribe this to a change in focus on quality on IBM's part, or is
this just an effect of porting software to the box from lesser 
environments?
Microsoft has forever changed the way people look at computer problems, to
the point where even IT professionals believe that a reboot is an 
acceptable
way to "fix" a problem.  Is this same mentality taking over our beloved 
box?
It's clear that attitudes have changed....

Eric DeLong
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No virus.  But have received a lot of advice from IBM lately to either 
reboot, or restart something which is just as bad.

Rob Berendt
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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." 
Benjamin Franklin 




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And how many iSeries customers got a virus on their iSeries system and had
to pay for virus protection, download the latest update, go to every 
desktop
and run a fix and reboot the "Server" 2 or 3 times?
John Brandt

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And how many iSeries customers will run safely and happily without ever
loading them?


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And how many ptf's did IBM announce for the iSeries today?

Rob Berendt
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> Consider the source....
just a note that MS has just announced it's 1st major patch needed for
Office 2003
(corruption/lost data). I wonder if they did it with their "new 
programming
techniques"?
jim

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> > a very neat video that demos some of the new programming techniques 
and
> > languages that we will see in the next few years.
>
> Consider the source.
>
> If any prediction from the Microsloth Developer Nitwits comes to pass, 
I'm
> going to plumbers' apprenticeship school. At least as a plumber, I'll 
only
> have to deal with s--- when I'm working on waste lines or stopped-up
> toilets.
>
> --JHHL
>
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