RE: Lower End AS/400s -- MIDRANGE-L

Maybe because no knows java or wants to learn it
because its slower than molasses going uphill
In January on the ski hills of Michigan?

Just a thought.

IMHO...Java and java applets are the workings of a mad man.
I have never seen one that was even close to being
Responsive as far as processing time or loading on a web browser.


-----Original Message-----
From: Justin Haase [mailto:JHaase@jackhenry.com]
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 10:38 AM
To: 'midrange-l@midrange.com'
Subject: RE: Lower End AS/400s

That's because the employees are just as reliable as the systems.  They
never leave!  The iSeries is PERFECT!  Nothing can ever be better!
Muhuhuahahahaha!!!

We'll never need anything more than 640k either.

jch

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael R [mailto:michaelr_41@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 10:37 AM
To: midrange-l@midrange.com
Subject: RE: Lower End AS/400s


This probably has no meaning to the experts, but I thought it was
interesting. Did a monster.com search on java in Michigan - 106 hits.
One
looked like it might be java and as/400. Did a monster.com search on
iseries
or AS/400 or as400 in Michigan - 32 hits. So, unscientific as this is,
it
seems to me there are more java jobs than as/400-anything jobs.






>From: "Joe Pluta" <joepluta@PlutaBrothers.com>
>Reply-To: midrange-l@midrange.com
>To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
>Subject: RE: Lower End AS/400s
>Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:42:37 -0600
>
> > From: Konrad Underkofler
> >
> > Joe, check out the market, people and companies vote with their
feet!
> > This is not even debatable anymore. We are discussing the death, end
or
> > other "marketing" problem of the AS/400. Most of the TCO stuff
favoring
> > the 400 is silly and stupid. If there was a REAL SUBSTANTIVE
DIFFERENCE
> > companies would pay anything to have that extra reliability!
>(...)
> > The reality says cross platform or obsolete. Even games are this
way!
> > Where is the killer iSeries application? Most are overpriced crap.
> > Even the largest of the iSeries application houses JD Edwards is
> > moving to an open architecture.
>(...)
> > It may be business logic but it sure won't be object oriented code.
Is
> > anyone actually doing new major development in RPG these days?
>
>What your argument comes down to is this: everybody's doing
cross-platform,
>object-oriented development, so I better do it too.
>
>Congratulations!  You are now officially part of the server farm
marketing
>hype!  But before I buy your platitudes lock, stock and barrel, let's
do a
>little bit of due diligence:
>
>
>"People and companies vote with their feet."
>
>Yep.  Of course, these are the same people that bought stock in
companies
>with sock puppets.  The most UNreliable marketing indicator on the
planet
>is
>what the "people" are doing, because they will change direction in a
flash.
>Ask SSA about that.
>
>
>"Most TCO stuff favoring the 400 is silly and stupid."
>
>Which part of uptime, reliability or scalability is stupid?  None of my
>clients think those things is stupid.  Maybe yours do.
>
>
>"The reality says cross platform or obsolete."
>
>Bull.  Reality doesn't talk about much, and when she does, it's rarely
>about
>something as mundane as platform specificity.  No, understand this
single
>point: the people who say cross platform or obsolete are... (drum
roll)...
>PEOPLE WHO SELL CROSS-PLATFORM.  Especially consultants with cheap
labor
>forces.  Teach 'em once, pay 'em $25/hr, charge $75/hr.  What a world.
>
>
>"Even games are this way!"
>
>I have to disagree with this statement.  Because there are tons of
games
>released "for Playstation Only" or only for consoles, not PC.
>
>
>"It may be business logic but it sure won't be object oriented code."
>
>You say that as if it's a negative.  Object oriented code isn't somehow
>intrinsically better than procedural code.  In some cases, where code
reuse
>is important, OO can be a benefit.  In other cases, such as those where
the
>rules change often or need to be driven by a database, procedural code,
>especially the kind you can write with ILE RPG, is just as powerful,
and
>often with a much quicker time to market, due to the heavy startup
costs of
>a true OO project.
>
>
>I guess we disagree on what's important.  Somebody has convinced you
that
>"object oriented" and "cross platform" are somehow requirements for
>business
>development.  I continue to argue that such standards in general
benefit
>the
>consulting firms far more than they benefit the end user.  Perhaps I've
>overlooked some fact, but in general, I can't agree with any of your
>assertions.
>
>Joe
>
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