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I agree with you Adam that Ops Nav is far too slow. Green Screen is orders
of magnitude faster. Green Screen is also easier and less cumbersome. IBM
have some work to do, I think.

However, I use Linux for a desktop, and am irritated by the necessity for
Windoze (running in VMWare) to run code and OpsNav.

There are many functions in Ops Nav that cannot be done Green Screen,
unfortunately, so Windoze is essential.

Syd Nicholson


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Lang" <aalang@rutgersinsurance.com>
To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: The Linux Hole


> Maybe theyaren't doing a CAE for linux because they would jsut have you
use
> IBM Host on Demand?
>
> As for ops Navigator, how critical is it really?  In all honesty ... I
onyl
> use Ops Nav to pull down spool files onto desktop.  Everythign else I do
via
> green screen ... and I have only used the As/400 for a couple years.  I
> actually find using Ops Nav too damn slow.
>
> Adam Lang
> Systems Engineer
> Rutgers Casualty Insurance Company
> http://www.rutgersinsurance.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jan Megannon" <jmegannon@intekom.co.za>
> To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 7:58 PM
> Subject: Re: The Linux Hole
>
>
> >
> >
> > Leif Svalgaard wrote:
> > > From: Jan Megannon <jmegannon@intekom.co.za>
> > >
> > >>Leif, how does Ops Nav work at the moment? Is there a (pre) processor
> > >>task that is connected to a server task on the 400 that waits for an
> > >>incoming request and then serves the request? If so, why can IBM not
> > >>write or port just the portion of code required for Linux? I realize
> > >>that I am over-simplifyng this, but with the genii that IBM purports
to
> > >>have (as well as the oodles of boodle!) this should be a walk in the
> park!
> > >
> > >
> > > I think you are correct on the architecture of Oops Nav, but IBM
> > > has to ask themselves how many customers run Linux instead of
> > > Windoze. That percentage is way down (maybe less than 5%) so
> > > the cost of having two versions of Oops Nav would be too great.
> > >
> >
> > Response appreciated. Yet it is this same opinion of 'chicken and egg'
> > that ensures that M$ will retain their share of the market. The question
> > was asked on this list as to when Ops Nav will be available on Linux. My
> > belief is that, for every question that is placed on this list, there
> > are 100 000 people/customers/users/sysadmins out there that are thinking
> >   the same thing.
> >
> > I am in South Africa. There are some major companies that are moving
> > selected systems (some servers, others moving all plus desktops) to
> > Linux. The choice of desktop OS is based PURELY on the functionality
> > that can be employed on it. If IBM had the cahones, they would roll out
> > full CA Express on Linux.
> >
> > I do not know the cost of developers in the U.S. Say it is US$200 (I am
> > sure this is WAY over) per hour. That equals US$1600 per eight hour day.
> > Times 20 developers equals US$32000 per day. Times 220 working days per
> > annum equals US$7 040 000. How much did IBM say they were throwing at
> > Linux? Why not provide us with desktop access to the AS400/iSeries,
> > before enticing us to go LPAR? There is more revenue on the desktop than
> > on the server. So the OS is for free. They can still charge for the
> > application!
> >
> > Just a thought.
> >
> > Jan.
> >
> > Hippocrates (I think it was him) said : The chicken is an actual chicken
> > and the egg is a potential chicken. As actuality precedes potentiality,
> > therefore the chicken was before the egg!
>
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