Re: V5R2: Source now allowed in the IFS

I wasn't trying to be argumentative when I made the comment about "real"
change management...I guess that everyone is entitled to their opinions
about what is "real", "good", or whatever.  I was just pointing out what
appears to be a bias.

And yes, I am biased toward solutions that exist on the iSeries.  I feel
fairly confident in saying that a PC-based change management system will
NEVER replace one like Turnover or Aldon/CMS when it comes to managing
AS/400 source and objects...there's just too much platform-specific stuff
that has to be done during promotion of objects to make it even worth
considering, IMO.  Sure, you can use a PC or Unix-based CMS to manage the
source code...but that's only a tiny fraction of the job that needs to be
performed by a CMS.

You need to archive source AND objects, for one.  What about NON-source
based objects, like Data Queues or Data Areas?  You need a facility to
manage these types of objects.  Also, you need to distribute objects from
your development system to the production system, if you have separate
boxes.  NO purely PC-based CMS can do this for you, unless you write some
supplemental iSeries code to do these tasks.

JMHO, as always
Steve Landess

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To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: V5R2: Source now allowed in the IFS


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Well, evidently you do have some experience with change management tools.
And, granted, I might tend to be biased towards a tool that is more
iSeries 'aware'.  This would help in relating much of the stuff in objects
that source itself doesn't know about.  Like:  security, objects changed
outside of the tool (CHGPGM, CHGPRTF, etc)  but, then again, that might be
bigotry on my part.  When in the market for any tool, 'traditional' or
otherwise, I would make sure that it addresses all these concerns.  I know
that Turnover will flag things changed outside of the tool.

Rob Berendt
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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin




"Steve Landess" <steve_landess@hotmail.com>
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10/15/2002 11:11 AM
Please respond to midrange-l


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Aldon has a CMS (Affiniti) that allows you to integrate your change
management on the iSeries with that on your PC-based platforms.  It
integrates with Eclipse Workbench.

I have not used Affiniti yet, but I have been using their AS/400-based CMS
for years, and I think it is the best available for the AS/400 platform...


----- Original Message -----
From: <rob@dekko.com>
To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: V5R2: Source now allowed in the IFS


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Does softlanding/turnover support this well?

Rob Berendt
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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin
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