RE: Disk Drives -- MIDRANGE-L

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Sometimes I wonder if the third party stuff is not priced on cost plus a
reasonable profit, but instead priced on IBM -x%.  Many moons ago we used
to use alternative maintenance.  When IBM raised their prices - so would
the third parties.  Now was that price increase due to the limited supply
of parts for the older equipment?  Or was it due to IBM saying "You need
to buy new hardware because the maintenance on the old hardware is too
high"?

Rob Berendt
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03/28/2002 01:42 PM
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 1. Support is what pays for a bad drive.

 2. I once had a mainframe that we used EMC dasd on and was told it was
versatile enough to connect to iseries, mainframe, or network server. It
was
less expensive than IBM but still a heavy price tag.
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Dow [mailto:pcdow@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 1:14 PM
To: midrange-l@midrange.com
Subject: Re: Disk Drives


Hi Al,

1) I thought this was covered by hardware support, not the initial cost of
the drive.  Are you saying that if I do not have hardware support IBM will
still replace drives proactively for free?

2) What exactly makes up "the high cost of integration"?

Personally, I'm convinced that the high price of the disk drives is mainly
due to what the market will bear, i.e. they have no competition in that
arena.  At least no one in this thread has mentioned an alternate source
for
iSeries disk drives.

Regards,
Peter Dow
Dow Software Services, Inc.
909 425-0194 voice
909 425-0196 fax


----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Barsa/Barsa Consulting" <barsa@barsaconsulting.com>
To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 9:29 PM
Subject: RE: Disk Drives


>
> This is not meant to be an all encompassing reply, but I will point out
a
> few facts:
>
> 1).  One of the things that makes them more expensive is that IBM
replaces
> them, proactively, at their expense, when they are bad.
> 2).  The high cost of AS/400 integration is one of the things that makes
> the AS/400 the lowest cost per user server in the market place.
>
> Al - in Charlotte on vacation
>
> Al Barsa, Jr.
> Barsa Consulting Group, LLC
>
> 400>390
>
> 914-251-1234
> 914-251-9406 fax
>
> http://www.barsaconsulting.com
> http://www.taatool.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>                     Chris Whisonant
>                     <chris.whisonant@comp       To:
midrange-l@midrange.com
>                     orium.com>                  cc:
>                     Sent by:                    Subject:     RE: Disk
Drives
>                     midrange-l-admin@midr
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>                     03/27/02 03:30 PM
>                     Please respond to
>                     midrange-l
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>
>
>
>
>
> So, what makes them so much more expensive then? There's a factor of 10
> compared to the price of PC drives. I know they're more reliable, but is
> that the only advantage? From the iSeries Storage homepage, "These
drives
> are industrial strength drives which have unique iSeries and AS/400
> performance/reliability functions. These drives are supported by iSeries
> and
> AS/400 disk controllers and I/O processors within the iSeries or AS/400
> which provide additional performance and reliability benefits." I also
> understand that they have an "advanced problem reporting feature."
>
> Oh, and we all remember the drive fiasco from last Summer/Fall... How
many
> of you guys got bad disk units?
>
> Chris
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com
> [mailto:midrange-l-admin@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Leif Svalgaard
> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 3:15 PM
> To: midrange-l@midrange.com
> Subject: Re: Disk Drives
>
>
> From: Neil Palmer <neilp@dpslink.com>
>
> > Oh ?  It just magically appears with no cost for writing or
maintaining
> it
> > ?  You're writing the cose for IBM for free ?   ;-)
> > (I know - certainly NOT enough cost in it to explain the price
> > difference).
> >
>
> that is, of course, what I meant. Even a $89 PC disk drive needs
> a driver program that also costs money, but we are talking pennies.
> In IBM's case probably not pennies, but certainly such a minute
> fraction of the total disk drive cost that I doubt (as you do) that
> that is what is driving the price up into the stratosphere.
>
>
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