RE: Disk Drives -- MIDRANGE-L

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Why would you want a 10k or a 15k drive when a 5 1/4" diskette can hold
over 360k?  :-)

Rob Berendt
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Chris Whisonant <chris.whisonant@comporium.com>
Sent by: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com
03/28/2002 01:49 PM
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Yes, BCC is in the market. I'm not sure of any others. I am looking into
BCC
drives myself for this quote. They offer a 10k drive, but they also offer
a
15k drive (which IBM doesn't). They have support options and all that good
stuff. From my understanding, savings could be gained by going with the
10k
drives, but the 15k drives end up costing about the same (except you get
50%
more in performance) once you factor in support and installation costs.

I was also questioning the statement Pat made that "I don't believe most
Intel machines will call the service department
and have the tech show up with a possible failing part without you having
to
call anybody". True, but should you include that fact in a statement about
the cost of a drive? I do agree that the support is excellent when you can
have a drive brought in by a tech within hours and still have the system
up
and running, but support costs should be covered in the maintenance
agreements and not the up-front costs of a drive.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com
[mailto:midrange-l-admin@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Kirk Goins
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 1:30 PM
To: midrange-l@midrange.com
Subject: RE: Disk Drives


There is another vendor, BCC that offers plug compatible drives. I'm NOT
recommending or even suggesting people use NON-IBM drives, but simply
stating that at least one source exists.

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Dow [mailto:pcdow@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 10:14 AM
To: midrange-l@midrange.com
Subject: Re: Disk Drives


Hi Al,

1) I thought this was covered by hardware support, not the initial cost of
the drive.  Are you saying that if I do not have hardware support IBM will
still replace drives proactively for free?

2) What exactly makes up "the high cost of integration"?

Personally, I'm convinced that the high price of the disk drives is mainly
due to what the market will bear, i.e. they have no competition in that
arena.  At least no one in this thread has mentioned an alternate source
for
iSeries disk drives.

Regards,
Peter Dow
Dow Software Services, Inc.
909 425-0194 voice
909 425-0196 fax


----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Barsa/Barsa Consulting" <barsa@barsaconsulting.com>
To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 9:29 PM
Subject: RE: Disk Drives


>
> This is not meant to be an all encompassing reply, but I will point out
a
> few facts:
>
> 1).  One of the things that makes them more expensive is that IBM
replaces
> them, proactively, at their expense, when they are bad.
> 2).  The high cost of AS/400 integration is one of the things that makes
> the AS/400 the lowest cost per user server in the market place.
>
> Al - in Charlotte on vacation
>
> Al Barsa, Jr.
> Barsa Consulting Group, LLC
>
> 400>390
>
> 914-251-1234
> 914-251-9406 fax
>
> http://www.barsaconsulting.com
> http://www.taatool.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>                     Chris Whisonant
>                     <chris.whisonant@comp       To:
midrange-l@midrange.com
>                     orium.com>                  cc:
>                     Sent by:                    Subject:     RE: Disk
Drives
>                     midrange-l-admin@midr
>                     ange.com
>
>
>                     03/27/02 03:30 PM
>                     Please respond to
>                     midrange-l
>
>
>
>
>
>
> So, what makes them so much more expensive then? There's a factor of 10
> compared to the price of PC drives. I know they're more reliable, but is
> that the only advantage? From the iSeries Storage homepage, "These
drives
> are industrial strength drives which have unique iSeries and AS/400
> performance/reliability functions. These drives are supported by iSeries
> and
> AS/400 disk controllers and I/O processors within the iSeries or AS/400
> which provide additional performance and reliability benefits." I also
> understand that they have an "advanced problem reporting feature."
>
> Oh, and we all remember the drive fiasco from last Summer/Fall... How
many
> of you guys got bad disk units?
>
> Chris
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: midrange-l-admin@midrange.com
> [mailto:midrange-l-admin@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Leif Svalgaard
> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 3:15 PM
> To: midrange-l@midrange.com
> Subject: Re: Disk Drives
>
>
> From: Neil Palmer <neilp@dpslink.com>
>
> > Oh ?  It just magically appears with no cost for writing or
maintaining
> it
> > ?  You're writing the cose for IBM for free ?   ;-)
> > (I know - certainly NOT enough cost in it to explain the price
> > difference).
> >
>
> that is, of course, what I meant. Even a $89 PC disk drive needs
> a driver program that also costs money, but we are talking pennies.
> In IBM's case probably not pennies, but certainly such a minute
> fraction of the total disk drive cost that I doubt (as you do) that
> that is what is driving the price up into the stratosphere.
>
>
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