Re: Time and Attendance -- MIDRANGE-L

<quote>...payroll which is a batch process if ever I saw one.</quote>

depends on the application...
if you swiping time on a shop floor, and a persons may swipe in/out of many
orders
in a day, real time with validation may be required (like swipe in to a
closed order?).
Realtime also allows you (with good equipment) to send back to a digital
display
a person's accumulated time, so they can keep track of their "40 hours".
Saves
all the headaches and "time" of changes required after payroll run.
Kronos, GFC, and perhaps some others have realtime systems that work well
with
the 400.
btw- the hardest part of the last time/attendence project I did was getting
the users
and managers to sign off on a set of specs (in 32 states, some shops union,
some
not). Rounding, swipe in early or late, swipe out early or late, lunch/no
lunch, clocked
into a shift when payroll ends (Fri-midnite), clocked in during daylight
savings shift,
minimum/maximum shifts, failure to punch in after lunch, corrections and who
can
make changes, etc, etc. Walk the users thru the consequences of every rule!
Code
nothing till they all agree and sign off on it. And if you have a site in
California, I'll
pray for you. They change the rules quite often.
have fun,
jim franz


----- Original Message -----
From: <jpcarr@tredegar.com>
To: <midrange-l@midrange.com>
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 8:07 PM
Subject: RE: Time and Attendance


>
> Dave's on the money.   You can get what ever hardware for the swiping you
> want.  I can go into an ASCII file
> just fine on the IFS.   I can write a 50-100 line RPGIV program to read
> that PC file realtime and process it
> and update REAL DB files with it.  Already doing that with an Inventory
> system we did.  I read the ASCII file
> from the file that was loaded to the IFS from the scanner gun.  No sweat.
>
> The consultants are like children,  Give them a  hammer and suddenly
> everything needs to be hammered.
> Give consultants a way to make money on what they know(ie PC solution)
> EVERYTHING needs to be a PC
> solution.
>
> John Carr (I'm a consultant BTW)
>
>
> > The only thing that you missed out on is that our 400 Payroll
application
> > is also being upgraded but this could be taken off the 400 as well...
>
> If they're only looking at PC solutions then you're going to end up with a
> PC solution. Why is the payroll being upgraded? Does it not do the job, or
> is it simply not a Windows app?
>
> As far as swipe card input goes, I've worked with a system that was
> integrated into J.D. Edwards World (for meal accounting rather than
payroll
> though). Basically the badge readers build ascii files that you then
import
> into your 400 through Client Access, ftp, or whatever. It's not a big
deal.
> You can have more sophisticated systems that send wireless data
transaction
> by transaction, but I can't imagine you'd need that for payroll which is a
> batch process if ever I saw one.
>
> Dave...
>
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