RE: password security -- MIDRANGE-L

With the CHGPWD in QSYS I get the same thing.  When signing on through CA I
don't need to enter the Q.  IBM adds it automatically.

The only way I know of to have the Q automatially entered when changing the
password is to write your own CHGPWD command.

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Gary Monnier               garymon@400security.com
The PowerTech Group        253.872.7788
PowerLock Network Security www.400security.com


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-midrange-l@midrange.com
[mailto:owner-midrange-l@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Eric DeLong
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 2:12 PM
To: "MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com"
Subject: RE: password security


Gary,

When I try to set a numeric password without the Q prefix, the system tells
me
"Name is not valid." Here's the CPF message details.....



                        Additional Message Information



Message ID . . . . . . :   CPF5222





Message . . . . :   Name is not valid.



Cause . . . . . :   Field validation error - incorrect name was entered.

Recovery  . . . :   The name must start with an alphabetic character
followed
  by any of these characters: 0-9, A-Z, @, $, # and underscore (_).

    Numeric passwords must be preceeded by the letter Q. For example, if the

  password is to be 1234, it must be entered on the CHGPWD (Change Password)

  screen as Q1234.

    Press the Reset key and correct the name.



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Subject: RE: password security
Author:  "Gary Monnier" <SMTP:garymon@400security.com> at
EXCHANGE
Date:    1/25/01 3:50 PM


IBM prefixes any numeric password with a "Q" automagically.  To
the user it just looks like they entered 12345.

--
Gary Monnier               garymon@400security.com The PowerTech
Group        253.872.7788
PowerLock Network Security www.400security.com


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-midrange-l@midrange.com
[mailto:owner-midrange-l@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Mark A.
Manske Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 12:41 PM
To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
Subject: RE: password security


But, this user NEVER enters the Q and he changes it with chgpwd,
I have watched his fingers, he does it ALL on the numeric
keypad...

This is want I don't get, I understand "how" IF you use the Q,
but they never do use the Q.



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-midrange-l@midrange.com
[mailto:owner-midrange-l@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Eric DeLong
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 1:26 PM
To: "MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com" ; "Mark A. Manske"
Subject: RE: password security


     Mark,

     I think you misunderstand. The Q is entered ONLY when entering the
     new password into the CHGPWD or CHGUSRPRF commands. After Qnnnnn
     was entered to set the new code, subsequent logins can be entered
     as numeric only. The user need never enter the Q again until the
     next time he uses CHGPWD. Then he'll need to enter the Qnnnnn in
     the CURRENT PASSWORD field.

     hth,
     Eric DeLong


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Subject: RE: password security
Author:  "Mark A. Manske" <SMTP:mmanske@minter-weisman.com> at EXCHANGE
Date:    1/25/01 9:30 AM


Hmm, thanks for that information; however;

it does not answer the question of how the user did this,
he did NOT put a Q in front, he also, did NOT as others had mentioned
type letters that looked like numbers - and as qsecofr
I cannot do what this user can do, nor can I do this same
thing as myself.  It also does not matter how I try to change
the password (chgpwd/chgusrprf/edtusrprf).

Also, we have one other user who has been able to do this
using chgpwd, NO Q preceding as the security manual states -

This user also has secadmin auth, but does not have allobj,
but the first user that made this happen does have allobj due
to the wonder of a canned package that we have been unable
to limit the way it processes yet - I'm still working on them
on this-like most software vendors..

So since it really is ALL numeric, and there is NO preceding Q and
no preceding alphabetic character, how can these only two users
be doing this and as myself it will not work that way
(with a Q I can-but they do not use it)
- my concern: is our security "working"???

as stated previously, V4R4, most recent cumm/hyper/DB/blah..blah..blah..

TIA

Mark A. Manske
[mailto:mmanske@minter-weisman.com]
Sr. Project Lead
Minter-Weisman


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-midrange-l@midrange.com
[mailto:owner-midrange-l@midrange.com]On Behalf Of Joseph D. Giusto
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 3:13 PM
To: 'MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com'
Subject: RE: password security


Put a Q in front of the number and you can log in using just the number.

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