RE: XML Attributes

["Stone, Brad V (TC)" <bvstone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

That's my point, although I didn't go to Tampa to learn that.  I learned it
on the job.  Oh the horror.  :)

Brad

> -----Original Message-----
> From: L. S. Russell [mailto:leslier@datrek.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 7:55 AM
> To: MIDRANGE-L@midrange.com
> Subject: Re: XML Attributes
> 
> 
> I agree, XML is another good thing but it isn't a cure all.  When we
> implemented our EDI (about 12 vendors, and almost double that 
> number of
> distributors) we went to Tampa for QRS training.  The one thing I
> brought back from that class was that all theses standards (X.12, XML
> ...) are not standard.  Each partner has a different set of 
> requirements
> for each of the document types.  Some abide by the functional
> acknowledgement and others, even though they require you to send it,
> ignore it as if they never got it.  
> 
> X.12 would work well, and not need replacing, if folks would 
> understand
> that STANDARD MEANS STANDARD!
> 
> "Stone, Brad V (TC)" wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > > You really have a bee in your bonnet about XML taking over
> > > the EDI world ;-)
> > >
> > > Have a read of;
> > >
> > > [
> > > http://www.xmls.com/resources/whitepapers/XMLSolutions_Peacefu
> > l_Co-Existence
> > .pdf ]
> > 
> > >It might calm your nerves better than valium ;-)
> > 
> > Actually I don't.  I just hate it when all people talk is 
> theory.  Theory
> > only works in your head.  Taking over the EDI world.  
> That's what all IT is
> > about these days isn't it.  If you don't create the next 
> Napster, you're a
> > nobody.  So, instead of coming up with new ideas, you 
> rebrand something
> > existing as "Next Generation" and call it your own... sorry 
> for the tangent.
> > :)
> > 
> > I parused the document.  Found it interesting that one 
> point they try to use
> > to say XML is better than X.12 is you can "read" it with 
> your eyes easier.
> > (they don't come right out and say it that way, but why 
> else would they
> > point that out).
> > 
> > A lot of pretty pictures too.  Too bad real work isn't as 
> easy as pictures.
> > It wouldnt at all be to their advantage that you use XML 
> and possibly
> > purchase their product or services?
> > 
> > Example from me...
> > 
> > Data from AS/400-->replicate to NT-->display on web with 
> cold fusion.
> > easy right?  How about this...
> > Take order on internet with Cold fusion-->replicate to 
> AS/400-->bill order.
> > 
> > Easy right?  Pffffft...  Those --> contain about 10k lines 
> of code and rules
> > that haven't even emerged yet.  Ya, it's just "that easy".
> > 
> > Give me three reasons why XML is better than X.12?  I've 
> asked this before.
> > Never did get an answer.
> > 
> > Note:  I don't hate XML.  I'm not worried if I have to use 
> it.  Here's what
> > I hate:  Hype, buzzwords, IT management who haven't 
> programmed a lick of
> > code in their life and wouldn't know XML from Javascript 
> but still think
> > that one thing like XML or Java will solve all problems 
> that exist because
> > Joe Pundit in PC Week said so (who also hasn't programmed 
> since punchcards).
> > 
> > I also don't like anything that is labeled "Next 
> Generation" except Star
> > Trek.
> > 
> > Don't show me theory and pretty pictures, show me fact and 
> real world
> > examples.  Let me hear from the programmers who had to 
> implement this, not
> > the project leaders who just hear "it's coming along ok".
> > 
> > So far, I haven't seen XML as the savior that Java was 
> claimed to be.  :)
> > What do you think, Leslie?  :)
> > 
> > Brad
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